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Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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silent it comes right over our heads

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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welcome to podcast UFO for our live show

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Ron rig ear and he has been a UFO

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Alejandro how are you I am good how are

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you my friend good and I'm kind of

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excited

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I have a next week I have an important

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guest and that's you we're gonna do a

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whole darn show together um did you

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really you forgot no I do remember cuz I

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advertised it on

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show that's right so you're oh you did

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okay so you are committed I'm committed

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I told the world that it's gonna happen

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and I am a man of my word good to hear

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I knew done anyway so I'll be there yeah

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that'll be fun

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yeah what do you want to talk about with

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it on the show you know I think we'll

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probably have a game plan before that

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time okay yeah yeah that that sounds

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yeah well so what's going on with the

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news this week there's UFOs all over the

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place and there's fake UFOs all over the

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place so I guess I'll just just to start

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there's a lot of fakes out there I've

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said this before that we're kind of in

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the age of the UK tabloids

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because now when you look for news you

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know there's the UK tabloids have

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stories every day now they're all

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jumping on this UFO bandwagon and

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they're jumping on the fake UFO

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bandwagon so secure team ten there's a

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new one called section 51 there's also

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this crappy news website that calls

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itself the science world report that is

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jumping in on this as well and they're

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posting all of these fake UFO videos

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these are all fake people so science

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world report if it comes from them or

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open minds headlines we post every day

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the news headlines you'll notice we

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haven't been covering those but we've

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been covering other stories because

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there are interesting stories out there

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yeah no that's good you know there's is

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too bad there's no like real watchdog

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for this type of thing but what can you

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do you know I mean they now they're

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probably reporting other paranormal

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things that aren't so as well if it's

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drone allegedly recently in Utah and it

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was kind of funny it turned out to be a

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hoax and the guy's gotten these silly

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costumes and we're teasing people with

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this video that they released showing

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how they were just tricking everyone but

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people are using you know paranormal and

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the popularity of paranormal not just to

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get hits like the tabloids but also for

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marketing purposes because they know

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people like these tabloids will run with

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it and then unfortunately some of those

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stories are getting picked up by

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mainstream media and then they get a

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bunch of attention and a lot of hits and

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not much you can do about it just what

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the lead oh I see okay yeah so so what's

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UFOs so we have a gentleman charles

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hunter so he's out looking for UFOs

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frequently and he lives kind of in the

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downtown Vancouver area and he's got a

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lot of equipment he does this with

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cameras and and such and one of these

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cameras is a low Lux kind of

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night-vision camera he's got a regular

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camera he's got a thermal

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black-and-white camera so it detects

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heat and these heat signatures are

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different colors well on June 3rd just

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recently he caught something interesting

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that he sent over to us and it's an

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orange orb and he captures this on his

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night vision which captures color and

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you see this orb cruising across the sky

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then it goes in front of these buildings

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they're in Vancouver and it and it does

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make a turn at one point you can tell

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the background and it definitely looks

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like an orb so it's really interesting

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he also shows that this object cannot be

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seen on the thermal that just means that

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it with his eyes so kind of an

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interesting video I think the movement

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of this thing's really weird kind of

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cool now I talked to Mark Dantonio move

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on photo and video analyst and asked him

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what he thought and he said it could be

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trash blowing in the air

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similar and you can see this one in the

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story as well in Las Vegas this was sent

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to me by a some people who went in on

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vacation in Vegas and they sent me the

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video and let me post it and this was

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years ago probably eight years ago

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something like that and you can see this

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thing kind of floating around really

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weird I think the videos still kind of

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strange mark is pretty convinced that

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that was trash and I can see that a

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little more because it does look like

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it's doing weird kind of things but this

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object that Charles got is kind of

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moving steadily along and makes this

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curved turn so my video guy here Michael

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Kline he also feels that it's probably

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some sort of trash floating in the air

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and I think Charles makes some good

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points that it's not trash just in the

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way that it moves in everything so I

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think this one's somewhat at least still

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mysterious but it's a real great video

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and Charles is a great guy so this is a

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good one you know when you take like an

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object you look at at through that night

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vision and it turns a certain color can

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you work back with to see what color it

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really would be well the the device that

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he uses is called a low Lux device so

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it's not necessarily like a traditional

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night vision like the military uses its

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it captures full color and it's more of

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just like a special sort of lens that

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can catch really low light and it can

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also capture infrared light

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so it just kind of has a wider spectrum

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so it's real color so what you see with

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this camera is real color and what's

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funny about this camera is that we've

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written a couple of stories on on UFO

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videos captured with this camera and now

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when you go to the website for this

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camera they have listed some of these

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videos including some of our stories on

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there which is kind of funny because

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that's the only thing they have on there

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so it must be popular for that purpose

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but yeah so that is it should be the

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real color of that it's receiving now if

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it's a reflection it could be a

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reflection of IR light and Mark Dantonio

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mentioned that because Charles feels the

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objects probably within a hundred feet

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mark felt that that was probably true so

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mark that well it could be reflecting IR

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light from the camera because the camera

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has the ability to throw out you know

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the IR light that can't be seen with

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your eyes and so it could be reflecting

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that however Charles says he had his IR

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off so it wasn't that so but it is kind

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of a reddish color if you've seen like

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for instance if you have an older camera

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lots of older cameras can catch IR so if

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you take your remote control which uses

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IR a lot I or like and face it at your

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older video camera and push the buttons

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you'll see the IR light on your remote

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control coming out at the end whereas

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you can't see that with your eye and

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when you do that you'll delight you

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typically a reddish kind of color so

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that that's one possibility they've

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thought of but Charles is pretty sure

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that that's not it oh well ok well what

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else is happening yeah some other

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interesting ones I know this is one that

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you thought was pretty interesting and

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it is this is somebody in Indiana and

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now this is a picture that was actually

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taken on March 2nd in 2015 but only

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recently submitted to move on and so

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this story was written by Roger Marsh of

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MUFON and this person says it was like 3

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o'clock in the morning and they were

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driving around for some

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and they kept driving her around at

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night they don't say why but when they

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passed this field they saw these three

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orbs above this field they thought it

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was kind of neat and kept moving on they

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came back later and saw the light so

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this time they stopped and looked and

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thought oh that's cool and it was

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something like the third time they came

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by that they finally decided to take a

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picture and they said that every time

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they came by it was for like 45 minute

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period these lights were sitting there

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and it's which is kind of weird that

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they would leave and come back and leave

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and come back so early in the morning

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but still the images are really

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interesting or the image because you do

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see these three round lights floating in

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the sky just floating there in a

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triangular formation of course any three

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lights would be that way and you can see

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they don't appear to be a solid object

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because it looks like you can see a

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contrail in between them behind them

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right and so yeah this is a really weird

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photo

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MUFON did look at this the investigator

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Patrick O'Brian did close it as an

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unknown so yeah you've seen this picture

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kind of weird huh yeah it's a it's

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actually really good the orbs or lights

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or whatever they are seem like they're

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perfectly round in very uniform and so

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is the triangle formation looks for a

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uniform as well of course that triangle

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from any angle can look different but I

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think it's a really great pictures

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really yeah really weird kind of a

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strange one and yes and see that they

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just jump on well in the show notes

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there's a link - oh yeah and TV

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everything's right there yeah and the

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last one I wanted to talk about really

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quick was a pilot who says he got in a

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dogfight with a sphere UFO so this pilot

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essentially says he was flying along and

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he found the he saw this object he said

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he was like at a thousand feet seems low

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but he was flying by and he was going

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this object passed by going the opposite

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direction

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said it was 300 feet after his thought

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of his less left wing and it looked like

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a metallic orb that was reflecting light

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and it was about the size of a

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basketball

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he said he then turned to try to catch

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up to this thing to go check it out

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but he said it turned also so when he

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kept maneuvering to try to fly over by

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this thing to check it out he says it

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also was trying to keep behind him and

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that's why he said he even use his term

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that it felt like they were they became

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engaged in a to turn dogfight is what he

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called it but after the second turn he

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said the object kind of broke away and

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went straight off to the south of him

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and then he lost sight of it she said

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that there's this is a second time this

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has happened to him and the last time

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this happened was in 1978 Wow yeah so

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this was over San Bernardino County in

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California but yeah that's another

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pretty interesting that said it's

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another MUFON report you know it sounds

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similar to some of the Foo Fighters

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during World War two it does it does it

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sounds similar to Foo Fighters and it

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could sound kind of weird but you know

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metallic spheres are reported fairly

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frequently and and craft that seems to

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be maneuvering out to stay away or from

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other aircraft is also something that's

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reported by pilots fairly frequently Oh

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certainly you've got dozens of cases

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from credible pilots that say this sort

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of thing has happened so who knows I

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guess it's a possibility but this is

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just another one to add to the list

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pretty strange yeah well hey thanks a

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lot Alejandro and that'll be it'll be

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great to have you here next week yeah

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it'll be a lot of fun I'm looking

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forward to it yeah now I'm going to set

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the stage a little for the upcoming

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guests Ron rig ear he is sitting outside

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on his porch on his cell phone because

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of two very loud pair

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and that's how we're gonna do the show

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did you have to deal with that Alejandro

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and yes I did and I think if I remember

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correctly last time I interviewed him

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I've known Ron for like a decade if not

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longer but I think the last time I

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interviewed him the parrots did get a

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little feisty and made themselves known

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in the background all right okay

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everyone so hang in there for the quick

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music break we'll be right back with Ron

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Ron Ricky R how are you fine thank you

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glad to have you on the show thank you

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dear I've heard your name over the years

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a number of times and you have quite an

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extensive background let's talk about

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that first and then I want to find out

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what captured your imagination and got

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you interested in UFOs but can you

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basically for the person that's unaware

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of your background can you basically

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tell them your satellite and aero engine

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aerospace engineer background sure I got

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started investment interested in UFOs

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back and C's long long time ago like in

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the 50s when they had all those horrible

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Class B movies

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invasion for space River every Saturday

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on khakha coke bottle or 7up bottle or

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roma milk bread wrapper that was all we

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needed to get into a matinee movie on

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Saturday see one of these B movies that

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I

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cool it was just a lot of fun and that

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kind of piqued my interest and that was

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about the same time major Keyhoe

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donkey came out and was talking about

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devils and we had one of the few

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televisions in the neighborhood and

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would have people gather around the TV

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that type television came on sometime in

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the morning we had two and sometimes

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three channels it went off the air until

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o'clock at by black and white of course

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would even sit around watch a test

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pattern but one of the shows was news

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show I'm not remembering who the host

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was but they were energa in this I think

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he was a marine major Don Quixote was

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talking about UFOs and I was fascinated

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by because here was confirmation that

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maybe these might be cheesy movies but

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at least there was

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some basis for them to jog here or in

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here so that kind of got me started on

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the whole thing and then when the

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Russians launched Sputnik right then and

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there I decided I would become an

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aeronautical engineer so I could figure

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out ways to keep those dirty commies and

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at the same time solve the mystery of

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UFOs because since I've been convinced

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by then that they were real and they

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could had all these flight

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characteristics how do they do that that

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was the question that kind of drove me

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Samet school got my degree in

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aeronautical engineering and went to

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work for Douglas Aircraft and hired on

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as part of the Saturn Apollo team this

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is back in 1962 no 63 and I was assigned

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as a electrical engineering department

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that was the only departments hoping

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they'd had at the time so I was

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responsible for out legree interphase

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all the electrical components which is

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between the upper stages and the lower

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stages of the Saturn Apollo moon rocket

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then I was fortunate to be in the right

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place at the right time to hear about

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this new and exciting project called

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Skylab well we call it the orbital

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workshop with most your listeners are

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probably too young to realize that in

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the early 60s we had a lot of failures

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or rockets with no go up and explode and

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I mean it was disastrous so we planned I

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think with 19 different moon launches

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figuring that about half of whom would

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crash so the astronauts really brave

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they were real heroes they were brave

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they they were they knew that about yeah

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that the longest thing crashed and they

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we had escaped modules built into him

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where if the firing off through was

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see that something was going to miss he

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could push the button and launch the

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crew capsule off of the main rocket but

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that was sketchy so anyway I worked on

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space on the orbital workshop for Skylab

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and then I transferred over to Douglas

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intelligence-gathering aircraft we

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called spy planes but the biggest

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gathering intelligence and that program

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was awarded to Boeing so I was all of a

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sudden out of a job the way they worked

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at narrow space at that time was it when

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they canceled the program everybody out

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of the program got laid off immediately

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and sent home and then they would hire

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the ones they wanted to cut back really

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well I was one devastated so I called a

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friend of mine and he said no we don't

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have it he hoped he's back here I was

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Huntington Beach there was this base

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division and while I was on the phone to

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him I got a call from Scott this little

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company named barrel jet he says Ron

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we've been looking at she wants you to

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come here and work for us so I started

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working there and there I worked on

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Spitz 31 years and past observation

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platforms or spy satellites and various

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sensing systems that would be able to

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detect better than the human eye or

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human senses could detect that's where I

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ended my career and retired and went to

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run a campground mobile home park

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continue my UFO research has started

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looking into very ancient to us Oh Vince

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what was it were there any of those and

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so I I lived in an area at that time

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where there were a lot of petroglyphs

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and pictographs petroglyphs are where

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these rock is incised pictographs or

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were

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there's a pigment or paint applied to

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the surface of the rock and long behold

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I started seeing what looked to be to be

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fly orbs or flying saucers and I talked

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to some of my nature friends and most of

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them were very quiet that either didn't

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know or claimed not to know and then I

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met suit Belcher and he was quite blunt

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about it he said yes those are those are

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the star people they come down and their

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ships and they have been coming here for

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for a long time when maybe speak about a

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long time they're talking about

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prehistoric times so that started a new

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realm of Investigation so I'm a state

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director new fonts for MUFON to talk for

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several years and I was asked to rewrite

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their field investigators mantle and I

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wrote that and brought it up to the 21st

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century it's now available

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electronically as well as hardcopy and

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wrote 23 operating procedures on using

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different items of equipment different

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techniques to be used in investigation

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shows that that's up to currents wow

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that's something I've said a number of

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times in the show that it really doesn't

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matter if it's ancient or now you know I

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mean as far as different stages of

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development of intelligence out there it

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could be at any point in our development

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that these things could be showing up

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you know as an example about time and

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development the 4.5 3 billion years that

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Earth has been here as far as we know

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Mark Dantonio

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he's been on this show a number of times

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he's a MUFON a photo analyst but I was

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at a talk where he displayed something

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that he did when he was teaching classes

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and

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what he did with it it was 350 feet long

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which is four thousand two hundred and

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twenty-two inches or something like that

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so he says okay this three hundred and

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fifty foot roll of toilet paper is the

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existence of earth and then down the

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line he would have this many feet out

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it's the first known life or you know

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all the way and when it comes to humans

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being a existing or let's just say Homo

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erectus which is the nearest well the

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oldest fossil of Homo erectus is 1.9

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million years old

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so that whole roll that whole roll of

544
00:26:56,259 --> 00:26:54,859
toilet paper the four thousand two

545
00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:56,269
hundred and twenty two inches I believe

546
00:27:05,169 --> 00:27:00,470
it is Homo erectus is only just over a

547
00:27:07,239 --> 00:27:05,179
half an inch at the end so it will give

548
00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:07,249
you a scope of time we can't figure out

549
00:27:13,539 --> 00:27:10,460
time it for the human brain you just

550
00:27:15,789 --> 00:27:13,549
can't you can't understand how much time

551
00:27:19,659 --> 00:27:15,799
that is but when you have it laid out

552
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:19,669
like that you can see so they could have

553
00:27:26,249 --> 00:27:22,849
been visiting earth you know way before

554
00:27:29,879 --> 00:27:26,259
Homo erectus was here you know who knows

555
00:27:33,609 --> 00:27:29,889
it's all that's all fascinating to me

556
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,619
some of the glyphs I found I sent you

557
00:27:40,089 --> 00:27:36,080
photos of them that I took and I believe

558
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:40,099
you have both of them on your page our

559
00:27:47,349 --> 00:27:43,759
five to six thousand years old here and

560
00:27:50,589 --> 00:27:47,359
they show these flying orbs and there's

561
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:50,599
a couple of pictures of what looks like

562
00:27:57,339 --> 00:27:54,320
the prototypical alien gray and just

563
00:28:01,529 --> 00:27:57,349
these things are amazing that they are

564
00:28:04,659 --> 00:28:01,539
there anthropologists and archaeologists

565
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:04,669
both have both disciplines have a

566
00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:09,289
difficult time explaining them it's kind

567
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:11,540
of fun listening to them guy actually

568
00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:16,100
but then talking with the Hopi and Zuni

569
00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:19,820
elders and I find it another common

570
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:22,790
place these these things don't care all

571
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:31,280
the time oh you okay yeah I just had to

572
00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:33,490
I so thought yeah that's good water

573
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:36,500
if you wanted you wanted you want to

574
00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:38,890
take a quick break

575
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:41,660
yeah okay

576
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:45,290
so in just to let if if someone wants to

577
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:48,170
make a quick call in your welcome to and

578
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:50,360
the phone number here is six zero three

579
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:54,200
nine six seven four OH three oh if

580
00:28:59,410 --> 00:28:56,420
anyone wants to call in and you want to

581
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,420
talk about a sighting that you've had or

582
00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:02,240
anything like that we're letting Ron

583
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:05,000
take a little break here so again that

584
00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:07,820
number is six oh three nine six seven

585
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:16,280
four oh three oh are you back you need

586
00:29:31,330 --> 00:29:28,480
okay that's fine we don't have any

587
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:31,340
commercials on this show but that's okay

588
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:34,630
again if anyone wants to call in and

589
00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:37,340
it's too bad I just I didn't save that

590
00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:39,620
long-winded rant that I just did about

591
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:43,400
the earth age for right now while he's

592
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:48,470
gone but if you are listening live or

593
00:29:53,380 --> 00:29:51,740
actually as a podcast later on and you

594
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:53,390
want to check out the show notes to this

595
00:30:00,430 --> 00:29:58,190
if you go to the end of Ron's bio down

596
00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:00,440
at the bottom you'll see three pictures

597
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:03,040
of the glyphs that he was talking about

598
00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:06,290
a couple of them you can make out easily

599
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:10,940
and some of them not not so easily but

600
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:13,490
it is kind of curious a lot of the

601
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:17,660
figures that the Native Americans drew

602
00:30:24,550 --> 00:30:21,350
are do have a similarity to what we

603
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:24,560
think of as possible extraterrestrial

604
00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:25,010
and

605
00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:27,950
that is something that has fascinated me

606
00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:34,460
a long time is what the Native Americans

607
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:37,160
call star people and the Hopi Indians

608
00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:42,740
are another another group that they have

609
00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:45,470
chena dolls and that are just really

610
00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:49,700
almost alien like are you back I'm back

611
00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:52,070
I'm back thank you for that break I

612
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:54,200
apologize to you in to your audience

613
00:31:00,760 --> 00:30:56,270
I'll talk real fast to make up for

614
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:00,770
houses no no no no need to worry you

615
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:04,370
were mentioning Kachinas and casinos

616
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:06,950
they are the star people

617
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:10,850
they have representatives from different

618
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:14,450
galaxies there's a galaxy plan and both

619
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:18,200
hope you know Oliver glow people and the

620
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:22,070
casinos come down every year to san

621
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:24,770
francisco peaks of the mountains are

622
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:27,290
just north and a little bit west of

623
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:30,620
Flagstaff Arizona from there they go to

624
00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:34,910
Zuni which is in extreme western edge of

625
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:39,260
New Mexico just below i-40 and then

626
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:42,290
after appearing in Zuni they then go to

627
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:46,910
the different problems and these star

628
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:50,000
people are acknowledged in their

629
00:31:57,790 --> 00:31:53,290
religious carvings and their dances and

630
00:31:59,920 --> 00:31:57,800
this weekend is coming up we're coming

631
00:32:03,580 --> 00:31:59,930
up on the Solstice on the 21st and they

632
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,590
will be and ceremony for the day before

633
00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:06,080
occurring of the day after so we're

634
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:07,880
getting into high seasons for that now

635
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:12,020
but the Kachinas and our representative

636
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:15,550
and some of the paintings as well

637
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:20,230
pictographs and the star people are also

638
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:25,010
represented there's a one set of 19

639
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:27,350
different images that are close to

640
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:29,990
life-size like the sago canyon

641
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:33,140
pictographs and those are about six

642
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:36,950
thousand years old and if you look

643
00:32:44,889 --> 00:32:38,570
carefully you can see

644
00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:44,899
the spheres or orbs fly off leaving the

645
00:32:52,049 --> 00:32:47,559
Watchers behind those Watchers are there

646
00:32:53,589 --> 00:32:52,059
to keep skinwalker remember the

647
00:32:57,069 --> 00:32:53,599
skinwalker ranch

648
00:32:59,409 --> 00:32:57,079
oh yes mm-hmm oh but the goal if we go

649
00:33:01,959 --> 00:32:59,419
up the canyon from sagal Canyon

650
00:33:04,569 --> 00:33:01,969
yeah it's true reservations row goes up

651
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:04,579
through if you pass through a gate it's

652
00:33:10,329 --> 00:33:07,729
locked unless you're human and down the

653
00:33:13,479 --> 00:33:10,339
other side you come to the skinwalker

654
00:33:16,949 --> 00:33:13,489
ranch and that's Ken Walker that whole

655
00:33:20,589 --> 00:33:16,959
spirit that which depending on which

656
00:33:22,689 --> 00:33:20,599
Gauri's wish to accept but it's a

657
00:33:27,089 --> 00:33:22,699
malevolent force irrespective of which

658
00:33:32,199 --> 00:33:27,099
one is that the other at the canyon so

659
00:33:35,469 --> 00:33:32,209
most 19 figures are there for the sole

660
00:33:40,659 --> 00:33:35,479
purpose of warning people don't go up

661
00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:40,669
this canyon and use their power to the

662
00:33:47,019 --> 00:33:44,949
evil malevolent being in the canyon and

663
00:33:51,879 --> 00:33:47,029
another cliff that's there I did not

664
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:51,889
send you as a glyph and I've no reason

665
00:33:59,139 --> 00:33:56,419
other than just did cross my mind I'm is

666
00:34:03,029 --> 00:33:59,149
there's a witch that's being constrained

667
00:34:05,349 --> 00:34:03,039
by the spiritual force of a medicine man

668
00:34:11,319 --> 00:34:05,359
fascinating set of lifts all of that one

669
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:11,329
little area hmm I've actually seen I've

670
00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:14,569
actually seen some in California I was

671
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:17,000
just totally amazed up on up on top of

672
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:18,919
it wasn't really even a mountain it was

673
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:22,669
just up in the hills and it's the one

674
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:25,970
thing that puzzles me is how can they

675
00:34:35,379 --> 00:34:31,369
date these things you know maybe the

676
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:35,389
pigments or something we're talking

677
00:34:41,799 --> 00:34:37,460
petroglyphs that's where the rock is in

678
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,809
size mm-hmm there they can get a crude

679
00:34:47,169 --> 00:34:44,240
approximation based about how much of

680
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:47,179
the Repat base you know let me back off

681
00:34:52,059 --> 00:34:49,609
there's I think most people have been in

682
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:52,069
the desert or mountainous terrain that

683
00:34:56,140 --> 00:34:52,550
see

684
00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:56,150
a lot of rocks many of those rocks have

685
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,220
a coating on them oxidation coating

686
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:02,720
mineral coatings from different devices

687
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:06,380
in the West all the sandstone we get a

688
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:09,140
black called desert varnish it's a

689
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:12,680
mixture of titanium and different metals

690
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:16,430
that are leached out the positive on the

691
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:21,190
surface part when that black part is

692
00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:23,810
upgraded away either by percussive

693
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:26,420
hitting with the raw are scraping with a

694
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:30,590
harder rock then it reveals the wider

695
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:34,790
surface rock underneath then the process

696
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:37,190
of repair Mesa redepositing whatever

697
00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:41,930
this film was this black years goes back

698
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:44,180
and is redeposited because the system

699
00:35:50,530 --> 00:35:46,250
it's a natural system it doesn't stop

700
00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:50,540
and so by determining the thickness of

701
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:54,140
every patina that's deposited from the

702
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,850
time they were inside to the time can

703
00:36:02,200 --> 00:35:58,480
nature they can a rough approximation

704
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:02,210
the other thing they do is to dig around

705
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:07,160
the sites whether it's petroglyphs and

706
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:09,320
see if they can find different artifacts

707
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:11,000
with an enable them to get a more

708
00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:14,090
accurate gauge that's quite common yeah

709
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:15,980
because these things it's not graffiti

710
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:18,950
these were well thought out well planned

711
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:23,090
and took a while to construct so with

712
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:26,030
the pictographs there's a technopath of

713
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:29,420
positive harvest and the pigments are

714
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:33,890
for the most part part of life they're

715
00:36:44,290 --> 00:36:38,660
plant matter blood different different

716
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:44,300
organic materials and those have life

717
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:46,280
that they can measure with a lot more

718
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:49,520
accuracy carbon-14 dating is one of them

719
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:52,430
mm-hmm and so they can get really close

720
00:36:59,590 --> 00:36:56,090
with that but again they have certain

721
00:37:01,180 --> 00:36:59,600
characteristics of me and the artists

722
00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:01,190
work that they could say well this is

723
00:37:06,279 --> 00:37:04,840
this time period because of all the this

724
00:37:09,069 --> 00:37:06,289
literally

725
00:37:10,839 --> 00:37:09,079
thousands of these paddles and they tell

726
00:37:13,089 --> 00:37:10,849
stories of the migration they tell

727
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:13,099
stories of today we fear there's floods

728
00:37:19,929 --> 00:37:16,609
they tell stories of could find water of

729
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,939
this canon if they have different pet

730
00:37:24,849 --> 00:37:22,160
requests and pictographs that picks the

731
00:37:26,009 --> 00:37:24,859
supernova of 1054 there's one of that

732
00:37:30,609 --> 00:37:26,019
Canyon

733
00:37:32,709 --> 00:37:30,619
yeah there's that's requests and

734
00:37:35,069 --> 00:37:32,719
pictographs that talk about the moon

735
00:37:39,759 --> 00:37:35,079
phases there's something to talk about

736
00:37:42,569 --> 00:37:39,769
all manner of archaeology just those

737
00:37:45,669 --> 00:37:42,579
ancient techniques to determine

738
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:45,679
astronomy positions there's moon phases

739
00:37:53,309 --> 00:37:50,689
there's fascinating series that their

740
00:37:57,009 --> 00:37:53,319
chakras Fajada Butte where they have

741
00:38:00,269 --> 00:37:57,019
stone dagger too too long

742
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:00,279
large rocks that we we could not move

743
00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:02,359
today without it

744
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:05,900
heavy equipment these rocks were

745
00:38:13,509 --> 00:38:08,660
positioned very carefully so as a

746
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:13,519
solstice and the light would come down

747
00:38:22,899 --> 00:38:17,569
between these two rocks and a dagger of

748
00:38:26,009 --> 00:38:22,909
life with Traverse across a spiral and

749
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:26,019
that would at a noon on the Solstice

750
00:38:37,509 --> 00:38:31,839
this dagger would precisely bisects the

751
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:37,519
spiral amazing piece of work well up in

752
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:40,209
richer Canyon near Moab there's a

753
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:43,640
rattlesnake about a 10 or 12 foot

754
00:38:50,439 --> 00:38:47,119
rattlesnake petroglyph incised in the

755
00:38:53,739 --> 00:38:50,449
rock dutiful an anatomically correct a

756
00:38:57,939 --> 00:38:53,749
beautiful snake but at noon on the

757
00:39:00,789 --> 00:38:57,949
Solstice an arrowhead comes down pierces

758
00:39:04,179 --> 00:39:00,799
the skull of this rattlesnake it's just

759
00:39:08,529 --> 00:39:04,189
so cool like whoever thought of that and

760
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,539
was able to execute it and if you

761
00:39:11,739 --> 00:39:10,640
imagine the patience it took to sit

762
00:39:14,829 --> 00:39:11,749
there and say okay

763
00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:14,839
let's move this rock over here and at

764
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:17,059
noon on the Solstice we'll see what

765
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:20,250
happens we can move this okay go

766
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,710
appearance you have to be there several

767
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:24,720
years to get everything position just

768
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:27,510
right and then you'll have like she come

769
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:29,250
out with his chisel or Carver real quick

770
00:39:37,850 --> 00:39:33,140
so yes they stopped by dick

771
00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:37,860
there's I sent you one group of three

772
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:42,440
pictures remember that one is captured

773
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:45,780
fleeing captured and returned I think

774
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,070
the captain saw them interesting story

775
00:39:55,580 --> 00:39:52,920
did you get those I'm not sure I have

776
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:55,590
three pictures I I don't know if you

777
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,020
sent them to the same email address but

778
00:40:01,220 --> 00:39:59,760
anyway there are three I was just

779
00:40:02,810 --> 00:40:01,230
mentioning while we're on break here

780
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:02,820
that if anyone wanted to see them

781
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:05,550
they're down but on the in the show

782
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:08,460
notes but I'm sorry all I have is three

783
00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:12,560
I can add some more later but go ahead

784
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,790
talk about I went to a different

785
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,280
computer and I might have used a

786
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:19,800
different email address for you one was

787
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:22,800
I see sir and I forget what the other

788
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:26,310
one was they may get a different inbox

789
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:30,390
but there's a big croc I'd let me give

790
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:32,730
you the backstory I think it's

791
00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:36,780
interesting there's I have a reputation

792
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:40,860
of being the UFO guy and the gentleman

793
00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:43,740
came up to me one guy one day he looked

794
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:47,070
at me and can I help you turn the UFO

795
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,610
guy aren't yet I said yeah you gotta go

796
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:52,500
down to the booth next you gotta go down

797
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,230
there there's this huge huge rocks a

798
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:56,940
four-foot tall a wave on it

799
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,660
I got my attention so I clicked up a

800
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,400
little bit each can be some rough

801
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:04,440
directions said you go down there to the

802
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:07,320
road to post next turn right on a dirt

803
00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:10,140
road go for about a mile there's a huge

804
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:11,580
boulder all by itself

805
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:13,770
and you can't miss it's got these four

806
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,830
foot tall aliens on it what I've right

807
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:18,510
here the term can't miss it that's the

808
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,820
kiss of death but anyway the other thing

809
00:41:28,540 --> 00:41:26,460
most if you have listeners not here in

810
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:28,550
the West I'll tell acknowledge it and

811
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:32,250
not so much backe flipped on hundreds of

812
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:33,600
dirt roads out here

813
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,910
most of the area if you were to get a

814
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:38,400
sheet of glass and drop it about a foot

815
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:40,950
on to the concrete the cracks would be

816
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:43,980
about like the dirt roads they just

817
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:47,970
proliferate and so on the finding the

818
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:50,430
right road for we're fairly remote but I

819
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:53,850
did find it a one-mile in all of God's

820
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:57,510
most gruff absolutely no rocks at all

821
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,440
but to be seen I checked every rock of

822
00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:04,170
any significant size for seven miles

823
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:08,190
going up this Canyon I finally found

824
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,530
this folder as fortunately it was right

825
00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:13,440
next to the road I mean you could roll

826
00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:15,390
down the passenger car window and touch

827
00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:16,620
it that's how close it was

828
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:20,790
mm-hm but it's about eight foot to nine

829
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:24,570
foot almost scoop in shape and on the

830
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:29,670
front of this Boulder there's it's a

831
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:32,040
there are three Petra Petra quests

832
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:36,800
panels on the first panel shows a UFO

833
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:40,830
which is a hope you slice you know their

834
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:44,610
prophet lota it's a mobile with an arrow

835
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:49,290
at the bottom stylized man then there's

836
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:54,270
a man with his ears down which means

837
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,730
he's not really paying attention cuz

838
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,440
then when they're paying attention your

839
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:01,140
ears are up then there's some bird

840
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:03,480
flying and then there's a deer

841
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:06,510
footprints with the dewclaws short so

842
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:09,930
that means he was fearful and running

843
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:14,220
from this UFO so that and there's a

844
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:18,560
natural hole in the rock there so it's

845
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:22,200
that was the first panel then slightly

846
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:24,570
above that one into the left is a panel

847
00:43:33,350 --> 00:43:30,510
of flying serpent and he's captured this

848
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:33,360
guy that's got his ears down his arms

849
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,670
hanging your shoulder sagging he's got

850
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,560
no feet so he can't run he's got no

851
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:40,680
hands so I can't fight and she's on a

852
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:43,140
bird standing on a bird and the bird

853
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:45,530
stopped flying which means he can't we

854
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:47,490
Herbert's all these

855
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:48,870
it's like when those when they're trying

856
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:53,120
to get away from something so Helen he's

857
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:55,530
about line for the print there so he's

858
00:44:02,540 --> 00:43:57,390
part of the mountain lion clan he's been

859
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:02,550
taken by this flying reptile then the

860
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:07,740
next panel shows a descending spiral so

861
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:10,800
but the end is closed off and there's a

862
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:13,500
snake blocking the end of it so it says

863
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:15,810
he's been trying to get down just not by

864
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:18,090
a serpent and then there's another

865
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,320
spiral descending spiral and it's

866
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:25,920
open-ended and there he is coming down

867
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:28,430
with the help of a spirit person

868
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:33,450
so all these beasts fleeing capture and

869
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:35,250
returned by a spear first all on one

870
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:37,110
rock I thought was it a beautiful

871
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:41,070
depiction right there yeah this

872
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:43,650
fascinates I went back and told Java

873
00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:48,270
sits on seven miles not one there's no

874
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:51,390
aliens there just a flying Serpent and

875
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,030
they're about three inches tall four

876
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:56,760
inches tall did a four-foot either he

877
00:45:00,980 --> 00:44:57,480
was little

878
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:00,990
I'm trying to remember that desert yeah

879
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:13,290
yeah I was thinking they was either that

880
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,490
or you found the wrong rock now we're

881
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:19,920
we're only about 15 minutes away from

882
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:22,650
the top of the hour and I going to

883
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:24,540
change gears a little bit here we can

884
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:28,890
talk about the ancient connection again

885
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:31,980
later on in the the second hour but I

886
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:34,970
had I want to get back to satellites

887
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,010
because you know we had a couple

888
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:41,190
questions sent to us and I don't know if

889
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:43,230
the listener is a subscriber or just

890
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:45,630
listens to the first part of the show so

891
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:49,260
I and I again I'd like to keep talking

892
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:51,990
about that later on and because I think

893
00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:54,810
it's fascinating but with your

894
00:46:00,800 --> 00:45:59,250
involvement in the the satellites this

895
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:00,810
question came in

896
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:04,110
and he is asking I would like to know if

897
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:06,570
you think there are monitoring systems

898
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:10,160
pointing away from Earth out into space

899
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:12,930
specifically that could be part of a

900
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:14,910
classified program such as Star Wars

901
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:17,670
defense system that was rumored to be in

902
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:22,200
development that's one question okay see

903
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:26,510
I start off by my involvement with the

904
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:29,070
satellites was I wrote the performance

905
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:32,220
design specs we're all part of a team I

906
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:35,100
mean there's team members of thousands

907
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,790
six or eight five engineers led by a

908
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:40,800
team leader I was not the team leader I

909
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,690
wrote I wrote the specs I would tap

910
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,240
everybody's brains and talk to the Air

911
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,130
Force about what their requirements were

912
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:49,920
and integrate their requirements with

913
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:52,440
our capabilities and to provide the

914
00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:56,120
specifications the reason we did that is

915
00:47:03,710 --> 00:46:59,730
you might have the idea you hire me to

916
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:03,720
paint your house your concept of me

917
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:07,230
painting your house is to have maybe 40

918
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:09,390
people with one-inch brushes very

919
00:47:14,330 --> 00:47:12,150
carefully going over every inch of it

920
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:14,340
and I'm going to fly over it with one of

921
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:16,350
these helicopters that has a 500 gallon

922
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:19,350
bucket and drop it all at once so both

923
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:20,970
of them get your house painted with a

924
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:24,390
remarkably different results so what my

925
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:26,910
job was to make sure that when you said

926
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,010
you want the house payment and I said I

927
00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:30,240
was going to paint the house that we

928
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:32,190
knew precisely what was going to happen

929
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:34,680
what and what all the requirements were

930
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:36,690
and how you could verify that we did it

931
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:42,720
right that was my job now then the other

932
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:45,270
thing was you asked about is there a

933
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:50,160
platform that looks into space no not

934
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:53,370
directly and the reason is our primary

935
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:57,450
goal is to protect Earth and to protect

936
00:48:02,960 --> 00:47:59,090
the continental United States

937
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:02,970
so the spy satellites looked at the

938
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:06,630
earth disk but they also look above the

939
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,530
earth disk because that's where

940
00:48:13,610 --> 00:48:11,940
potential overseas threats who comes

941
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,620
from a ballistic missile go up in the

942
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:14,640
atmosphere and come

943
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:16,890
come back down so we'd have to look to

944
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:19,560
see if we see it coming over the

945
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:22,860
atmosphere so it's from that respect we

946
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:25,470
do see in the new space but it's not

947
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:27,930
paint there per se were aimed at the

948
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:31,850
earth - did that answer all those yeah

949
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:35,430
yeah but let me just ask you this is I

950
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:40,500
think I read somewhere were you talk

951
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:44,490
about the fact that UFOs could possibly

952
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:48,110
be caught on these spy satellites

953
00:48:54,350 --> 00:48:53,070
absolutely we did that most your readers

954
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:54,360
will probably remember the Phoenix

955
00:48:58,850 --> 00:48:54,930
flight

956
00:49:02,000 --> 00:48:58,860
oh yeah yeah we we got that week now

957
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,010
when I when I use the word track that

958
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,900
being something different the way our

959
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,060
system works than what most people think

960
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:09,420
of so I'm going to say we tracked it but

961
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:14,940
that's not a continuous tracking the way

962
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:17,030
you would if you're standing that

963
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:20,070
mountaintop watching a truck go by the

964
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:23,460
distance respected for example our

965
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:27,810
satellite takes pictures it's a scanning

966
00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:30,330
system and it scans and then rescan says

967
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:33,390
a tree scans the entire Earth and so

968
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:36,800
then we so we would see things and then

969
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:40,680
using it moving target indicator MTI we

970
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:43,020
could say oh this this object has moose

971
00:49:48,070 --> 00:49:45,360
is the last time therefore something

972
00:49:50,330 --> 00:49:48,080
dentists that we want to look at because

973
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:50,340
stationary things nobody cares about

974
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,070
looking at them at the top moving don't

975
00:50:00,350 --> 00:49:56,160
worry about so we look at moving things

976
00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:00,360
and that was what piqued our interest

977
00:50:05,090 --> 00:50:04,080
and we saw the phoenix life can you hold

978
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:05,100
it just off of them

979
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:08,040
just one second hell how often is a scan

980
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,470
done that's classified but it's

981
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:14,640
frequently enough so we don't worry

982
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:17,010
about it let's just put it that way and

983
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,520
the main reason is the data compression

984
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:23,520
there's a whole lot of information

985
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:28,030
gathered and if we have to look at it

986
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,790
that you're blinking rapidly you can

987
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:33,760
still track something but there's gaps

988
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,630
in the tracking if you blink fast enough

989
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:39,520
the gap still really matter

990
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,340
yeah but if you that's so that's

991
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:45,040
essentially what we're doing and we

992
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:48,910
tracked it from Southern Nevada all the

993
00:50:55,470 --> 00:50:52,740
way aloft itself and east of Tucson

994
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:55,480
now when you when this is being tracked

995
00:51:05,480 --> 00:50:59,920
are you able to detect speed and size or

996
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:05,490
anything like that speed yes sighs no

997
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:10,090
sighs is we're an infrared system and

998
00:51:15,570 --> 00:51:12,460
size depends upon how much you have to

999
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:15,580
read the object is either reflecting or

1000
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:19,750
generating if threat is heat so if it's

1001
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:22,870
a really hot thing then it generates

1002
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,660
more a really cool thing but it might

1003
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:27,790
also be reflecting so we can get

1004
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:32,350
relative intensities and then with known

1005
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:35,320
sources then we can say oh we know what

1006
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:39,970
this is because it has radiant intensity

1007
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:45,310
is so much that's an idea you might have

1008
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:48,940
a flash ball and a match the both have

1009
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:52,330
the same amount of energy but the flash

1010
00:51:57,570 --> 00:51:54,850
bulb expends its energy very quickly

1011
00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:57,580
let's say a thousand four second whereas

1012
00:52:01,980 --> 00:51:59,560
a match has a bright flash and then

1013
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:01,990
burned slowly over a longer period of

1014
00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:04,150
five hmm they both have the same energy

1015
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:05,470
but they'll have different time

1016
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:07,990
intensity profiles so you could say oh

1017
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:10,390
that's way it's time intensity profile

1018
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:11,890
stove's if the match

1019
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:13,450
where's wow look at that that was a

1020
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,500
flash bulb so that's the way we then

1021
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:18,880
over a period of time we can identify

1022
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:20,920
various targets based upon their time

1023
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:24,070
intensity profile but this was a one

1024
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:25,930
shot to go we hadn't seen it before so

1025
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:27,910
we couldn't do that qualitative

1026
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,450
measurement I see now okay so this

1027
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:34,960
happened you I'm trying to picture

1028
00:52:39,870 --> 00:52:38,080
exactly how this it all works but let's

1029
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:39,880
just say you're you're monitoring or

1030
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:41,560
someone's monitoring or

1031
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:45,000
even a computer's monitoring and this it

1032
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:51,160
it in this in this Phoenix lights the

1033
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:54,820
object whatever it was goes through

1034
00:53:01,530 --> 00:52:56,650
starting in Nevada and in the course

1035
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:01,540
that you tracked it who gets that

1036
00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:08,400
information and how is it not a big deal

1037
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,100
well it goes through several different

1038
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:15,040
command space command is the main one

1039
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:18,420
located at Cheyenne Mountain and the

1040
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:21,550
data goes directly to Space Command and

1041
00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:24,310
several others users and the list is

1042
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:27,340
classified but just suffice it to say if

1043
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:29,770
the people that need to get it and the

1044
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:31,290
people that don't need it don't get it

1045
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:36,990
and but what we should to have at the

1046
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:40,690
the Air Force Station large Plexiglas

1047
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:45,790
map of the world with the grass clear

1048
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:48,010
plexiglass and on the Plexiglas was a

1049
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:49,660
map of the world this looked just like

1050
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:53,650
the world so standard map and then there

1051
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:55,750
was behind it there was an arm that

1052
00:53:59,340 --> 00:53:57,370
would rotate that had a whole bunch a

1053
00:54:02,160 --> 00:53:59,350
little peanut bolts in it and whenever

1054
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,170
there was a knob detected the life would

1055
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:05,920
blink on and an airman with the grease

1056
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,540
pencil would vote for the next on the

1057
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:10,480
map that doesn't provide a lot of

1058
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:16,810
accuracy so we later on we find that as

1059
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:20,350
computers became more capable computer

1060
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:23,530
program that would enable us to do all

1061
00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:26,950
of this electronically but Gus remember

1062
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:28,660
the old science fiction shows whether

1063
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:32,320
they had the reels of tape there were 18

1064
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:34,150
inches diameter that's spinning in the

1065
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:39,300
background oh yeah we should build one

1066
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:45,040
tape would be 15 minutes of data and

1067
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:47,530
we're running 24/7 so you could imagine

1068
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,380
how many tapes we would use it and we

1069
00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:53,680
can't use the whole tape because we have

1070
00:54:59,340 --> 00:54:55,480
to reload load so we

1071
00:55:01,230 --> 00:54:59,350
run a tape we run three tapes so we can

1072
00:55:06,510 --> 00:55:01,240
always make sure there's no gas in the

1073
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:06,520
coverage each tape 15-minute tape gives

1074
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:11,710
us about six and six back of the eight

1075
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,430
and a half by fourteen paper printer

1076
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:17,920
paper now the printers are going crazy

1077
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:21,040
when we're doing this so that this is

1078
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,740
going on all the time 24/7 365 and it's

1079
00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:29,440
a fascinating thing to watch realize we

1080
00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:31,360
can't always print this so we have

1081
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:34,780
another electronic program that looks at

1082
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:38,550
these data electronically and sorts out

1083
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:43,060
it's sort of like when you're when

1084
00:55:46,890 --> 00:55:45,370
you're busy working you can you can sort

1085
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,900
out you say okay I'm going to listen for

1086
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:48,640
my wife and my girlfriend splice I'm

1087
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:51,730
gonna listen for the telephone I'll just

1088
00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:53,410
hear it but it won't rote register I

1089
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,630
won't pay any attention to the cat with

1090
00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:58,800
scratches or any of these other things

1091
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:01,270
so that's what our software does it

1092
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:03,250
listens to what it's supposed to listen

1093
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:04,720
for and doesn't listens for anything

1094
00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:06,850
else it still keeps it but it doesn't

1095
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:10,060
report it and then when something

1096
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,270
happens that's of significance then it

1097
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:16,000
figures an alert and we get an instant

1098
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:20,530
report model now how long ago was this

1099
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:25,150
as far as that technology oh it's still

1100
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:29,170
going on this started the grease pencil

1101
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:34,840
was in the early 60s to mid 70s early

1102
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:38,530
80s and we it was it's an evolutionary

1103
00:56:46,830 --> 00:56:43,210
process and we continue to evolve the

1104
00:56:49,350 --> 00:56:46,840
process as computers get faster and more

1105
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:49,360
capable obviously we were able to do

1106
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:53,110
more processing now how are you privy to

1107
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:55,330
know about the Phoenix lights of that

1108
00:57:01,740 --> 00:56:59,290
incident I wrote what is called a 60-day

1109
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:01,750
report that was every 60 days we send a

1110
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,010
full report of everything that's

1111
00:57:09,339 --> 00:57:06,640
happened to the US Air Force and so I

1112
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:09,349
wrote the 60 day report I got all the

1113
00:57:14,829 --> 00:57:12,710
course that was one of them era there

1114
00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:14,839
was another one of the object that came

1115
00:57:24,849 --> 00:57:18,589
from deep space crossed in front of our

1116
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:24,859
star sensor made 92 returned appeared in

1117
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:28,400
front of our primary sensor in a stately

1118
00:57:34,690 --> 00:57:32,569
fashion about twelve thousand miles an

1119
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:34,700
hour which is Boyle escape lost just

1120
00:57:40,479 --> 00:57:39,170
went into space as a powered craft so we

1121
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:40,489
knew that wasn't a meteor was a

1122
00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:45,410
meteorite was a tonne another object we

1123
00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:50,059
saw was the Iranian UFO was over a rock

1124
00:58:01,989 --> 00:57:57,109
in 1976 Wow so yeah we got a pretty good

1125
00:58:05,259 --> 00:58:01,999
record there was one event I don't know

1126
00:58:10,479 --> 00:58:05,269
how many people remember a sighting over

1127
00:58:12,099 --> 00:58:10,489
Colorado don't remember the guys Amy ran

1128
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:12,109
a restaurant without his daughter in

1129
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:14,180
videotape that it was a little over a

1130
00:58:22,089 --> 00:58:17,390
mile long we got a report of that one

1131
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:22,099
day one of the analysts came down radix

1132
00:58:27,759 --> 00:58:25,609
real excited to just Ron we got got me

1133
00:58:34,109 --> 00:58:27,769
should I follow nice the Air Force says

1134
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:34,119
it's a forest fire yeah so anyway the

1135
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:37,849
local sheriff assilex but there was a

1136
00:58:42,729 --> 00:58:41,089
forest fire in his area and he sent

1137
00:58:45,969 --> 00:58:42,739
squads out he couldn't find any forest

1138
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:45,979
where at all so that was that was an

1139
00:58:54,249 --> 00:58:50,809
interesting event now to me what you're

1140
00:58:57,089 --> 00:58:54,259
saying here sounds like scientific

1141
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:57,099
evidence that these things are happening

1142
00:59:03,099 --> 00:58:59,210
oh yeah

1143
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:03,109
and and for me to understand that just

1144
00:59:06,759 --> 00:59:05,210
gets pushed to someone else's desk and

1145
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:06,769
you know the people that need to know

1146
00:59:12,989 --> 00:59:08,660
find out about it and then it goes

1147
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:12,999
nowhere it's frustrating to hear that

1148
00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:15,529
it's resting to be a part of it

1149
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:20,359
I bet and so you obviously with what you

1150
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:22,190
just said a minute ago you're at least

1151
00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:23,390
some of your colleagues

1152
00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:26,980
new that you're interested in UFOs so

1153
00:59:33,549 --> 00:59:31,069
did you forcibly try to get anywhere

1154
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:33,559
with any of this so is it just you just

1155
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:37,220
held back by the bureaucracy of my whole

1156
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:41,390
thing I escaped the edge of the

1157
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:45,049
classified world and can that what I

1158
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:47,180
mean is there's certain things are

1159
00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:52,010
classified and and justifiably saw

1160
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:54,680
police especially back then

1161
01:00:01,599 --> 00:59:58,400
more so than now but for different

1162
01:00:04,299 --> 01:00:01,609
reasons but I do what the limits were

1163
01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:04,309
and I went right up to the edge of the

1164
01:00:07,769 --> 01:00:05,960
limits and I didn't reveal any

1165
01:00:12,009 --> 01:00:07,779
classified information I still haven't

1166
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:12,019
but it really makes the security

1167
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:15,609
personnel anxious I was interviewed by

1168
01:00:22,210 --> 01:00:17,660
Air Force Office of Special

1169
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:22,220
Investigations captain you're ready for

1170
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:25,010
a good laugh yeah I had one Captain

1171
01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:31,970
James Kirk okay and he came in he kicked

1172
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,430
the security and the security out of his

1173
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:35,839
office and says we're going to need your

1174
01:00:43,509 --> 01:00:40,630
office for about an hour and came in and

1175
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:43,519
at tried to debrief me I told him

1176
01:00:50,349 --> 01:00:47,990
everything I told him and he was just

1177
01:00:53,620 --> 01:00:50,359
very flummoxed the first thing he said

1178
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:53,630
I'm Captain James Kirk in civilian

1179
01:00:59,319 --> 01:00:57,410
clothes and I said oh yeah right he

1180
01:01:12,549 --> 01:00:59,329
ended up showing me his driver's license

1181
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:12,559
is Air Force ID humor about it and he

1182
01:01:19,749 --> 01:01:16,490
took lotsa notes I never got any flak

1183
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:19,759
from it it was just you know they they

1184
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:21,710
have to check up on these things I'm

1185
01:01:30,759 --> 01:01:26,740
glad they do and another time I got a

1186
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:30,769
classified document sent to Mia said to

1187
01:01:36,610 --> 01:01:34,730
my home Twix

1188
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:36,620
not a Twix

1189
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:38,870
can't remember the old-fashioned way we

1190
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:40,070
just said something all the phone lines

1191
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:42,590
on the piece of paper you mean a fax of

1192
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:46,970
that yeah fax fax thank you I got a fax

1193
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:49,670
and it what they had no classified

1194
01:01:54,070 --> 01:01:51,290
markings but I knew instantly what it

1195
01:01:56,850 --> 01:01:54,080
was because hot prepared the report that

1196
01:02:00,550 --> 01:01:56,860
it has this fighting in it

1197
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:00,560
ha ha damn it where did this come from

1198
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,270
so I'm 50 some odd miles away from work

1199
01:02:11,770 --> 01:02:07,520
that's I worked in Azusa and lived in

1200
01:02:15,220 --> 01:02:11,780
Huntington Beach at 53 miles one way so

1201
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:15,230
I put it in a sealed envelope put it

1202
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:18,590
under the mattress of my bed and next

1203
01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:20,750
morning took it in the Security office

1204
01:02:27,580 --> 01:02:23,420
and I said I received this classified

1205
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:27,590
documents on a fax and I want to report

1206
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:29,690
the first Senate to me because it's a

1207
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:32,230
you know we got a violation somewhere

1208
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:34,370
well they didn't believe it did any

1209
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:36,140
classification markings on it so I had

1210
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:37,940
to take him down to the vault show them

1211
01:02:42,910 --> 01:02:39,590
the classified document from which they

1212
01:02:45,070 --> 01:02:42,920
came and there was that same page but

1213
01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:45,080
the pace that I showed them in the vault

1214
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,340
has classified markings on them so

1215
01:02:54,370 --> 01:02:51,440
there's a big boulder all there I was

1216
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:54,380
ordered to go home I violated security

1217
01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:56,420
because I didn't properly take care of

1218
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:01,430
it Oh big investigation that day I come

1219
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:03,170
back the next morning and the security

1220
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:05,480
guard when I walked in he says what the

1221
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:10,160
hell did you do well the guy was sent to

1222
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:14,390
investigate you he's been fired really

1223
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:17,690
and yeah and I never did get to the

1224
01:03:21,970 --> 01:03:20,420
bottom of it but security left me alone

1225
01:03:24,790 --> 01:03:21,980
from then on I don't know what the hell

1226
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:24,800
went on Wow well it's a bizarre series

1227
01:03:28,810 --> 01:03:26,890
of events food security was pretty tight

1228
01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:28,820
did this have anything to do with

1229
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:41,360
Hillary's email okay well you know

1230
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:44,780
someone said on the message board

1231
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:47,930
let me just pull that back they they

1232
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:49,310
said it seems like you're saying the

1233
01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:50,240
government is deliberate

1234
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:52,520
we worth holding this stuff by

1235
01:04:01,000 --> 01:03:56,690
classifying it as secret and what do you

1236
01:04:03,609 --> 01:04:01,010
say no but it's the opposite it's

1237
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:03,619
properly classified secret therefore it

1238
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:07,970
is withheld I know it's a difference

1239
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:09,410
there's a difference and that is there

1240
01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:12,670
something that are properly classified

1241
01:04:18,070 --> 01:04:15,140
let me just ask you this someone with an

1242
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:18,080
interest in UFOs like yourself how do

1243
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:21,410
you feel about um like let's just say I

1244
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:24,170
don't know if this is so or not let's

1245
01:04:29,350 --> 01:04:27,170
just say the Phoenix lights incident you

1246
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:29,360
know was recorded scientifically

1247
01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:33,320
recorded by this spy satellite and it

1248
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:35,360
goes nowhere do you think that should be

1249
01:04:43,690 --> 01:04:38,210
classified or do you think that should

1250
01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:43,700
well go ahead to to release the fact

1251
01:04:49,060 --> 01:04:47,030
that we saw something it isn't a

1252
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,070
scientific assessment that would enable

1253
01:04:56,740 --> 01:04:52,720
anybody to have any dreams put to it

1254
01:05:01,210 --> 01:04:56,750
they for somebody to say oh you got a

1255
01:05:03,310 --> 01:05:01,220
UFO show me your data show me what it

1256
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:03,320
was raging intensity would show me it's

1257
01:05:08,349 --> 01:05:06,050
time intensity profile show me the raw

1258
01:05:10,810 --> 01:05:08,359
data that enables you to determine this

1259
01:05:13,690 --> 01:05:10,820
and all those are all data are

1260
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,700
classified and properly so because it

1261
01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:16,400
shows capabilities and limitations and

1262
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:18,350
we don't want to reveal their

1263
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:20,570
capabilities limitation we cos beacon

1264
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,230
generic broad terms but to make it

1265
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:25,520
scientifically prove all the scientists

1266
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:27,800
we're in the field would have to be able

1267
01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:29,630
to look at the raw data I see come to

1268
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:32,180
the same conclusion and those data are

1269
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,330
properly ratified well just the fact

1270
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,000
that if you could you could note this

1271
01:05:44,290 --> 01:05:41,359
loosely in tandem with all the witness

1272
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:44,300
reports of the sighting at the same time

1273
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:51,130
authenticity that this happened it's

1274
01:05:55,810 --> 01:05:53,150
it's too bad and I do understand what

1275
01:05:59,500 --> 01:05:55,820
you're saying about all the classified

1276
01:06:03,910 --> 01:05:59,510
aspects of the is it called the DSP the

1277
01:06:06,279 --> 01:06:03,920
defense whatever it was programmed

1278
01:06:08,250 --> 01:06:06,289
in support program and that's still up

1279
01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:08,260
there still works there's an other

1280
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:11,150
successor to that an evolutionary

1281
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:15,250
upgrade if you will that is the

1282
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:18,730
space-based infrared system receivers I

1283
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,900
wrote the performance design

1284
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:23,440
specifications for that system as well

1285
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:28,880
there's a high orbit and a low orbit the

1286
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,760
DSPs and I that's what is called

1287
01:06:38,859 --> 01:06:33,200
geosynchronous orbit

1288
01:06:42,809 --> 01:06:38,869
that's 22,300 miles above the earth hmm

1289
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:42,819
and and it stays there the whole time it

1290
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:46,910
satellites fall if you imagine if you

1291
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:50,809
were to throw a rock it goes 20 feet

1292
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:53,210
magic to throw a rock so hard it came

1293
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:54,730
back to teach on the back of the head

1294
01:07:05,170 --> 01:06:58,160
well that would be what a satellite does

1295
01:07:07,329 --> 01:07:05,180
it falls at a rate and so they fall at

1296
01:07:11,140 --> 01:07:07,339
the same rate the Earth rotates and it's

1297
01:07:14,349 --> 01:07:11,150
a Geo earth same synchronicity sort the

1298
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:14,359
geosynchronous orbit mm-hmm another

1299
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:20,650
orbit is mo Nia mo l ni y a that was

1300
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:24,559
discovered by the Soviets and that's

1301
01:07:34,059 --> 01:07:29,150
where the satellite is an extremely high

1302
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:34,069
orbit and his pump down whips around the

1303
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:36,950
earth with great velocity much closer to

1304
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:39,410
the earth in the order of maybe five

1305
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:42,680
hundred to a thousand miles and then

1306
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:45,920
whips back out to a far distance but all

1307
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:49,910
the time it's it enables it to have a

1308
01:07:57,069 --> 01:07:54,410
less predictable less more defensive

1309
01:07:59,559 --> 01:07:57,079
capability the satellites that are up

1310
01:08:02,259 --> 01:07:59,569
there right now and Co synchronous orbit

1311
01:08:06,910 --> 01:08:02,269
your satellites for communication your

1312
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:06,920
satellites for television yeah that's a

1313
01:08:13,450 --> 01:08:09,710
beautiful place to put them but it's so

1314
01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:13,460
bang crowded up there mm-hmm it's making

1315
01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:15,980
it difficult so other orbits are being

1316
01:08:20,380 --> 01:08:17,239
looked at

1317
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,390
and tried out to see how we can keep the

1318
01:08:27,130 --> 01:08:23,920
Curry's we want and need without

1319
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:27,140
grudging into another satellite the real

1320
01:08:34,539 --> 01:08:32,330
issue yeah another thing do you getting

1321
01:08:37,809 --> 01:08:34,549
back to the question asked earlier by

1322
01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:37,819
this email or the Star Wars defense

1323
01:08:44,349 --> 01:08:41,480
program there's been rumors whether

1324
01:08:46,809 --> 01:08:44,359
that's going to exist I guess I was back

1325
01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:46,819
in Ronald Reagan's day when I first

1326
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:48,200
heard about it

1327
01:08:53,890 --> 01:08:50,839
do you think something like that if it's

1328
01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:53,900
not in development I know we're getting

1329
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:55,940
off topic but I won't stay long honest

1330
01:09:00,099 --> 01:08:58,250
but if it's not in development currently

1331
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:00,109
do you think that that something like

1332
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:01,850
that will happen where there will be a

1333
01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:05,089
capability for us to like laser beam

1334
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:07,460
another country or vice versa they could

1335
01:09:12,519 --> 01:09:09,739
to us that type of thing taking it up

1336
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:12,529
into the sky or has that been regulated

1337
01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:17,330
so that is not supposed to happen pretty

1338
01:09:23,229 --> 01:09:20,390
well self regulated the biggest problem

1339
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:23,239
of god is funding this dang art to get

1340
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:26,960
money where the government broke for 19

1341
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:30,350
trillion dollars a death and so to get

1342
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:32,630
funding for programs it's really

1343
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:35,060
difficult yeah but when it comes to the

1344
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,430
defense it seems like we have endless

1345
01:09:43,390 --> 01:09:39,440
amounts of money to spend on any type of

1346
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:43,400
defense projects the biggest problem we

1347
01:09:52,209 --> 01:09:45,049
have is a lot of the defense's money

1348
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,219
goes to sustain ongoing programs if we

1349
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:54,320
were to close a bunch of paces and bring

1350
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:56,230
a bunch of people home we'll use

1351
01:10:01,420 --> 01:09:58,670
probably a billion gallons of fuel a day

1352
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:01,430
I don't I don't know the exact about it

1353
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:03,530
imagine all the airplanes all the drones

1354
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:07,850
all the tanks all the ships and you know

1355
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:18,080
it's a fuel expense very little when you

1356
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:19,850
check the budget there's not too much

1357
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:21,770
going for research and development

1358
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:24,530
most of us going to ongoing projects

1359
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:28,610
okay but if we get Wynyard go ahead if

1360
01:10:31,090 --> 01:10:30,680
we got win that Russia was developing

1361
01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:31,100
this

1362
01:10:38,530 --> 01:10:34,070
or in another country China or something

1363
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:38,540
like that you had bet I mean I would bet

1364
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:41,210
that everything would be dropped and

1365
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:47,510
we'd be you know trying to keep pace we

1366
01:10:53,940 --> 01:10:50,570
can keep pace with the technology we

1367
01:10:55,690 --> 01:10:53,950
have with most of what they're doing

1368
01:10:59,950 --> 01:10:55,700
with what we've got

1369
01:11:03,670 --> 01:10:59,960
so if they had an emerging technology

1370
01:11:06,130 --> 01:11:03,680
that would counter what we have then yes

1371
01:11:08,710 --> 01:11:06,140
there would be a big trade phase to try

1372
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:08,720
to get that in so that we would have the

1373
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:10,970
upper hand we got some pretty good

1374
01:11:18,430 --> 01:11:15,470
systems on board but Star Wars was our

1375
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:18,440
space Defense Initiative SDI because the

1376
01:11:27,010 --> 01:11:24,020
formal name of it was defunded for for

1377
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:27,020
the most part there was a two part

1378
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:31,120
system and the part of section was

1379
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:34,130
pretty well established but the other

1380
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:36,440
part of it what do you do when you see

1381
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:39,230
him there was a need to shoot them down

1382
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:41,570
the Israelis worked a lot on that and

1383
01:11:49,229 --> 01:11:44,810
have a system and there's an effect we

1384
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,239
had a system we tried to get over into

1385
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:51,040
Crimea

1386
01:11:58,740 --> 01:11:55,250
Tencent work out cool but we've got a a

1387
01:12:02,560 --> 01:11:58,750
modest system but it's not anywhere

1388
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:02,570
nearly capable enough to do what great

1389
01:12:08,590 --> 01:12:05,450
and then bases with SDI and one of the

1390
01:12:10,990 --> 01:12:08,600
reasons is multiple each targeted

1391
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:11,000
individual warheads

1392
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:13,970
Irv's there's we could have as many as

1393
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:17,870
20 of those and shoot all 20 of them

1394
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:20,210
well that's a you're gonna waste a lot

1395
01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:24,320
of stuff and how do you shoot it well

1396
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:26,420
you you want to throw up a hand for

1397
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:28,130
rocks and let's run full and run it to

1398
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:31,850
those two I'll use a laser lasers take a

1399
01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:35,330
lot of power and you gotta have 20

1400
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,160
liters what if they launched two

1401
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:39,920
missiles with now you've got 40 warheads

1402
01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:44,040
to worry about at least 40 lasers so

1403
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:45,590
I mean the problem just throws

1404
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:49,320
astronomical so then it becomes a system

1405
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,060
of okay let's see if we can

1406
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:53,760
differentiate which one or two or three

1407
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,410
of these independent missiles or

1408
01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:01,440
warheads is real and which ones are

1409
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:02,100
phony

1410
01:13:07,940 --> 01:13:05,190
I seem got another sensing system mm-hmm

1411
01:13:13,190 --> 01:13:07,950
so it easier to sense them that is to

1412
01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:13,200
shoot all of them and that's where the

1413
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:15,630
airborne laser which is chemical laser

1414
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:18,540
aboard an aircraft we didn't get much

1415
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,690
out of the shoot him down but we got

1416
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:24,000
quite a bit out of the knot you see him

1417
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:27,960
type of thing I see what so we're live

1418
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:31,140
with a Ron Rick Gary if anyone wants to

1419
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:33,540
call in the show and ask her on a

1420
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:35,330
question that number is six oh three

1421
01:13:41,210 --> 01:13:39,090
nine six seven four OH three oh you are

1422
01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:41,220
welcome to call in you're also welcome

1423
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:44,160
to pose a question up in the chat room

1424
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:49,380
either on skype at PS n radio or over at

1425
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:54,300
podcast UFO comm this same person was

1426
01:13:59,600 --> 01:13:56,970
mentioning about you I'm sure you're

1427
01:14:03,380 --> 01:13:59,610
familiar with the famous NASA shuttle

1428
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,390
footage that seems to show an object

1429
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:06,000
like moving off and zig zagging moving

1430
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:09,630
off into space and then it appears

1431
01:14:14,780 --> 01:14:11,820
almost like missiles being shot at it

1432
01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:14,790
now this could be I've heard you know

1433
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:17,190
skeptics say that's ice particles I have

1434
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:19,470
no idea what it is I just wondered if

1435
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:22,500
you have looked at that footage no I

1436
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,140
have looked at the footage and I too

1437
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:27,360
have no idea what it is I did not buy

1438
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:30,690
the explanation of NASA after that it

1439
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:33,690
was an ice particle that developed the

1440
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:35,490
ice and Dalton and led a pocket of

1441
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:40,110
compressed air escape I mean that's why

1442
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:42,600
anybody believes that I'm gonna sell him

1443
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:45,420
a fridge well let's talk a little bit

1444
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:49,020
about that now this last year I happened

1445
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:50,820
to go to Goddard Space Center and had a

1446
01:14:59,720 --> 01:14:55,920
nice tour all through there and it was

1447
01:15:04,410 --> 01:15:02,100
what do you think about some of the

1448
01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:04,420
footage you know there's there's all

1449
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:07,150
types of rumors I'm trying to remember

1450
01:15:13,230 --> 01:15:09,460
Gary him his last name he was a hacker

1451
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:13,240
that claimed that he saw different

1452
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:17,340
things before things were removed from

1453
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:20,110
footage and stuff like that what do you

1454
01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:24,490
think about all the talk that NASA will

1455
01:15:28,620 --> 01:15:27,340
cut a feed to the International Space

1456
01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:28,630
Station or something like that if an

1457
01:15:36,980 --> 01:15:34,360
object is seen doing that I've heard

1458
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:36,990
those rumors as well or herself stories

1459
01:15:45,330 --> 01:15:40,330
and I can't say that they're not doing

1460
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:45,340
it but NASA simply doesn't deal with

1461
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,630
nothing

1462
01:15:52,260 --> 01:15:48,880
when I was working with NASA that was

1463
01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:52,270
classified was the excuse me the

1464
01:15:58,650 --> 01:15:54,270
download frequency for the fan

1465
01:16:02,360 --> 01:15:58,660
communications as I didn't love every

1466
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:02,370
astronaut from very first ones I believe

1467
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:05,410
had a special frequency they can call

1468
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:09,130
and talk to NASA medical staffs NASA

1469
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:11,770
psychological staff and their families

1470
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:14,710
so they could have conversation with

1471
01:16:17,970 --> 01:16:16,630
their families and up drops on that's

1472
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:17,980
the only thing I know it was ever

1473
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:22,450
classified by NASA I worked with them

1474
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:27,610
for close to 20 years they might very

1475
01:16:35,460 --> 01:16:30,730
well have footage that they're not

1476
01:16:38,190 --> 01:16:35,470
releasing but there's no last time I

1477
01:16:41,070 --> 01:16:38,200
checked which is a bonala business for a

1478
01:16:43,340 --> 01:16:41,080
little over 15 years but they had no

1479
01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:43,350
provision for plastic I classified

1480
01:16:51,930 --> 01:16:49,420
documents or data there was any that

1481
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:51,940
nobody that I knew a lot of time I work

1482
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:53,530
with and all the meetings I said nobody

1483
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:55,510
has security classifications except for

1484
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:01,600
a military force no so can't help you

1485
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:04,450
there yeah I do know that there's been

1486
01:17:11,129 --> 01:17:09,130
stuff that is probably suppressed or

1487
01:17:13,919 --> 01:17:11,139
explained away with cilia

1488
01:17:16,489 --> 01:17:13,929
Asians like the ice crystals that the

1489
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:16,499
astronauts saw that they all said it was

1490
01:17:24,449 --> 01:17:22,260
not ice crystals thank you John

1491
01:17:27,509 --> 01:17:24,459
they explained it more than they try to

1492
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:27,519
suppress it and they give sometimes very

1493
01:17:32,009 --> 01:17:29,489
very poor explanations

1494
01:17:33,299 --> 01:17:32,019
so when but if they were classifying

1495
01:17:35,250 --> 01:17:33,309
that you wouldn't see it I'll guarantee

1496
01:17:37,979 --> 01:17:35,260
if it was if they were classifying it

1497
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:37,989
you would not see it right I mean they

1498
01:17:42,299 --> 01:17:40,199
do not release classified information

1499
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:42,309
thanks to people in the chat room that

1500
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:44,050
was Gary McKinnon the person I was

1501
01:17:52,139 --> 01:17:49,689
trying to think of yes I don't know if

1502
01:17:56,819 --> 01:17:52,149
you ever got extradited to us oh no find

1503
01:17:58,379 --> 01:17:56,829
it over here as far as I know not in it

1504
01:18:01,919 --> 01:17:58,389
was kind of interesting how he was able

1505
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:01,929
to hack that from a DSL type line or

1506
01:18:06,209 --> 01:18:04,050
something like that and it is

1507
01:18:14,659 --> 01:18:06,219
girlfriends on its house or something

1508
01:18:22,639 --> 01:18:20,699
the arab-israeli war though remember

1509
01:18:26,219 --> 01:18:22,649
what the Scud missiles were found over

1510
01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:26,229
at reporter named Wolf Blitzer

1511
01:18:29,819 --> 01:18:27,880
now you have what a day for workers

1512
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,829
Punnett whoops whoop lit sir

1513
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:31,840
it just sounds like that should be his

1514
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:39,010
job but the mode of operation then was

1515
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:42,010
that our satellite would detect the

1516
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:47,610
logical Scud we would detect that at

1517
01:18:53,939 --> 01:18:50,880
Cheyenne Mountain Colorado under

1518
01:18:57,179 --> 01:18:53,949
Peterson Air Force Base then there would

1519
01:18:59,909 --> 01:18:57,189
be a telephone call to the Pentagon the

1520
01:19:03,949 --> 01:18:59,919
Pentagon vajayjay or they almost always

1521
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:03,959
Jake they in turn would telephone call

1522
01:19:10,500 --> 01:19:07,329
the area commander of a patriot missile

1523
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:10,510
battery and give him the information he

1524
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:12,729
needed all handled by telephone calls

1525
01:19:16,649 --> 01:19:15,010
all handled on non secure lines we

1526
01:19:19,919 --> 01:19:16,659
didn't have any secure lines and Whiston

1527
01:19:22,679 --> 01:19:19,929
Siam mountain all the way to Israel tel

1528
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,689
Aviv where ever since then we change

1529
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:24,880
that the depth acceptance arm

1530
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:26,860
of operation there that was in what my

1531
01:19:35,939 --> 01:19:30,760
wants amazing whatever the first Gulf

1532
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,949
War was is scary in a way yeah

1533
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:38,800
you know I this is probably going way

1534
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:40,810
off topic and let's just keep it quick

1535
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:44,920
but you know I heard you always here I

1536
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:46,960
really do believe that we landed on the

1537
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:49,380
moon okay so I'm not gonna go I'm not

1538
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:52,480
conspiratorial about that a lot of

1539
01:19:58,110 --> 01:19:55,210
people will argue in a past guest just a

1540
01:19:59,820 --> 01:19:58,120
couple of weeks ago was very adamant

1541
01:20:02,370 --> 01:19:59,830
that he didn't think that we landed on

1542
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:02,380
the moon but the technology you think of

1543
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:07,030
1969 July when they first landed there

1544
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:09,000
was all this like push button and

1545
01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:14,170
computer you were around then how did

1546
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:16,840
that technology work so accurately was

1547
01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:19,840
it all through mathematics that had to

1548
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:22,420
be manually done or what what how did

1549
01:20:34,649 --> 01:20:29,820
that work we had a computer that wishes

1550
01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:34,659
was was enough to the entire facility it

1551
01:20:42,899 --> 01:20:37,000
generated that much with soup

1552
01:20:45,060 --> 01:20:42,909
technology both I would say 95 to 98% of

1553
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:45,070
the Saturn Apollo moon lock was designed

1554
01:20:51,419 --> 01:20:48,370
with the boss with flight rules which

1555
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:51,429
probably none dear listeners under the

1556
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:53,170
age of 40 you can knows what a flight

1557
01:21:03,149 --> 01:20:56,320
blue is and freedom nine key adding

1558
01:21:06,899 --> 01:21:03,159
machine that's what we well very little

1559
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:06,909
computers we did get a computer and that

1560
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:12,639
was reasonably good it was IBM 1620 and

1561
01:21:19,709 --> 01:21:15,730
that was the collar of parts of punch

1562
01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:19,719
cards if we were really really excited

1563
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:22,420
when they came out with formula

1564
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:25,300
translation software which became known

1565
01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:31,090
as Fortran and we were able to well I'll

1566
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,260
give you an incident we would use fuel

1567
01:21:40,650 --> 01:21:38,320
flow with calculations to determine

1568
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:40,660
engine cutoff thrust vectors things like

1569
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:44,770
that and so we we would do that with

1570
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,750
slide rules and with slide rule since

1571
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:48,880
you're really good you can get maybe two

1572
01:21:54,150 --> 01:21:50,710
decimal place accuracy on them may be

1573
01:21:56,940 --> 01:21:54,160
really good so we got this computer

1574
01:21:59,760 --> 01:21:56,950
Nikkei was nine decimal places well

1575
01:22:02,270 --> 01:21:59,770
that's in the insane Wow

1576
01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:02,280
but we've got the data so we reported it

1577
01:22:12,450 --> 01:22:08,020
to NASA and our NASA contracting officer

1578
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:12,460
Homer Jones cut nice back he looks at me

1579
01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:14,980
says what do you guys do when you want

1580
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:21,160
to get real actress back to the decimal

1581
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:24,490
place accuracy good night I got their

1582
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:28,710
back but it was too it's fun times we

1583
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:31,930
were seriously we did allow failures I

1584
01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:33,730
think the term was failure is not an

1585
01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:36,550
option and it wasn't you know I I can't

1586
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,220
remember if it was this country or or

1587
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:41,440
what country it was that had he talked

1588
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:43,450
very early in the program about failed

1589
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,350
launches and I heard I'm trying to

1590
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:48,880
remember what country was was trying to

1591
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:50,290
put a probe on the moon and they had

1592
01:22:59,040 --> 01:22:53,650
countless failed launches do you know it

1593
01:23:00,770 --> 01:22:59,050
was it US job yeah we had quite a few

1594
01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:00,780
failures and the reason was we we

1595
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:06,160
miscalculated the mass of the moon the

1596
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:07,780
other thing we had solvents which we

1597
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:12,370
speak it so if we would encounter there

1598
01:23:16,620 --> 01:23:14,380
were some very reputable scientists who

1599
01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:16,630
said we're going to have three four five

1600
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:20,590
foot of fine dust the result of millions

1601
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:23,290
of years of micrometeoroid impacts is

1602
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:26,110
creating all this dust and nothing to

1603
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:30,310
blow it away then there wasn't that much

1604
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:34,560
dust with some would you look at the

1605
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:37,570
dust talk to the astronauts it was a

1606
01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:46,090
crazy type of us to think right charts

1607
01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:51,400
and everything and earth it's a steady

1608
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,120
sorry

1609
01:23:56,340 --> 01:23:54,400
discharge we got enough air molecules

1610
01:23:58,890 --> 01:23:56,350
moving around and that discharges all

1611
01:24:02,670 --> 01:23:58,900
these charges parrying sort of bounces

1612
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:02,680
out and works pretty good but in space

1613
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:07,530
there's no no mechanism for grounding

1614
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:09,490
satellites the way we've seen our

1615
01:24:17,690 --> 01:24:13,330
satellites is we have a positive ground

1616
01:24:19,860 --> 01:24:17,700
and then all of the space junk the dust

1617
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:19,870
comes around accumulates on the

1618
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:22,060
radiators so that we start getting

1619
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,120
warmer and warmer and warmer starts

1620
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:26,800
collecting on the solar panel so we

1621
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:28,900
don't have as much power generation and

1622
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:32,380
so what we have to do that is reverse

1623
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:35,940
the polarity of the electronics and

1624
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:39,700
simultaneously fire the fish reactive

1625
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:42,310
control system motors can move the

1626
01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:44,290
satellite over about ten feet so if

1627
01:24:49,530 --> 01:24:46,060
these are cloud of dust about ten feet

1628
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:49,540
away and then everything goes back to

1629
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:50,050
normal

1630
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:52,120
go the next time it's we see

1631
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,690
performances straight back to another

1632
01:25:00,540 --> 01:24:58,480
position so this business a lot of

1633
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:00,550
little little nuances that go on with

1634
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:05,770
these things I bet I can't it some just

1635
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:09,190
posted up on the of the message board

1636
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:12,690
and I've heard I've heard similar things

1637
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:16,570
to this that the Apollo 11 that Lander

1638
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:18,970
and the moon was using a computer

1639
01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:21,340
thirteen hundred times less powerful

1640
01:25:29,190 --> 01:25:26,200
than your iPhone which is I don't know

1641
01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:29,200
the calculation but I yeah it was much a

1642
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:31,510
trashy eighty would have been a powerful

1643
01:25:38,430 --> 01:25:36,580
powerful computer I don't know I can't

1644
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:38,440
quantify and say thirteen at a time but

1645
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:40,360
I wouldn't be a bit surprised yeah

1646
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:42,730
and I've heard you know along those

1647
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:45,670
lines where Voyager one has about as

1648
01:25:58,620 --> 01:25:48,100
much computer power as your key fob on

1649
01:26:00,930 --> 01:25:58,630
your car amazing and the one thing since

1650
01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:00,940
you I know this is a that's a not

1651
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:03,670
exactly a satellite but - how does

1652
01:26:07,950 --> 01:26:05,470
I think that's traveling now

1653
01:26:14,250 --> 01:26:07,960
like 35,000 miles an hour or something

1654
01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:14,260
like that how it was probably through

1655
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:16,180
like a ricochet around a planet or

1656
01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:17,650
something like that is that the only way

1657
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:21,060
that you can get up to speed like that

1658
01:26:28,290 --> 01:26:24,490
when you're when it's uh you know

1659
01:26:30,540 --> 01:26:28,300
traveling through space yeah once you

1660
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:30,550
get as we get further and further away

1661
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:32,890
from the gravitational effects of our

1662
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:36,310
Sun and the planets become the major

1663
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:38,590
contributor and we do slingshot around

1664
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,350
those and then when we get into deep

1665
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:43,360
space we just kind of coast it's not the

1666
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:48,370
slow down and so it's you know the

1667
01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:51,460
gravitational effects so faraway planets

1668
01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:53,470
become in this fuel but they're still

1669
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:56,620
there they're always there we just can't

1670
01:27:02,520 --> 01:26:59,440
really measure them but yeah it's mainly

1671
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:02,530
slingshot off please shooting off the

1672
01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:04,750
planets and then going into deeper space

1673
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:07,030
I think I said Rick joy mid-swing dick

1674
01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:12,280
immense slingshot okay so since you're a

1675
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:16,750
man of science and you're your technical

1676
01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:19,890
involvement all the and all of that and

1677
01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:22,900
you have a fascination with UFOs how do

1678
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:24,430
you think you know the question you

1679
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:26,530
always hear from skeptics is oh it's

1680
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:29,200
impossible to get here from another

1681
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,100
solar system star system this takes too

1682
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:35,880
much energy takes too much time

1683
01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:38,800
what do you think about those statements

1684
01:27:49,230 --> 01:27:45,190
I think they're displaying large degree

1685
01:27:53,130 --> 01:27:49,240
of ignorance right now what we're doing

1686
01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:53,140
is throwing rocks no matter how you want

1687
01:27:58,350 --> 01:27:56,020
to look at it we're throwing rocks and

1688
01:28:01,170 --> 01:27:58,360
should be using our arm muscles or we

1689
01:28:04,350 --> 01:28:01,180
should go into extending that pipe

1690
01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:04,360
making an atlatl or we extend if I make

1691
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:07,720
a slingshot or we extend it by making a

1692
01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:11,070
rocket attack even so those are all

1693
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,100
evolutionary transitions in other words

1694
01:28:23,290 --> 01:28:18,239
involves from one step to the next

1695
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:23,300
what we will see soon revolutionary

1696
01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:25,530
doing something other than throwing

1697
01:28:33,049 --> 01:28:29,070
rocks and one of those evolutionary

1698
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,059
processes was described by Bob Lazar

1699
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:35,820
when he came in and said what they're

1700
01:28:43,970 --> 01:28:39,570
doing this folding space they look at a

1701
01:28:45,799 --> 01:28:43,980
various base and fold it over much as

1702
01:28:49,009 --> 01:28:45,809
you would a sheet of paper bringing one

1703
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,019
corner to you next to you and then just

1704
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:50,880
transfer it to the other corner and then

1705
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:53,130
unfolding it and just reverse the entire

1706
01:28:59,930 --> 01:28:57,199
length of the page so that would be a

1707
01:29:07,040 --> 01:28:59,940
revolutionary step that would enable us

1708
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:07,050
to traverse great distances well I I'm

1709
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:09,900
glad you're part of Bob's thing and I

1710
01:29:14,180 --> 01:29:12,510
have a question I'm going to I'll hang

1711
01:29:20,060 --> 01:29:14,190
on to for right now up on the message

1712
01:29:23,379 --> 01:29:20,070
board from Matt Matthew but so bob lazar

1713
01:29:28,509 --> 01:29:23,389
you got to know Laer

1714
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:28,519
John layer and and then Bob Lazar and I

1715
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:35,010
have I'm on the fence about Bob and so I

1716
01:29:43,989 --> 01:29:38,760
want to know I want to talk a little bit

1717
01:29:53,649 --> 01:29:43,999
about that sure huh so do you think that

1718
01:29:59,810 --> 01:29:53,659
Bob's story was legitimate yes you do

1719
01:30:03,560 --> 01:29:59,820
before he worked at area 51's for and he

1720
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:03,570
was not just a skeptic he was a deep

1721
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:09,050
bunker you guys are full of bull crap

1722
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:12,420
and I mean he was a bunker yes

1723
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:14,190
scientifically there's no way they can

1724
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,659
do this there's no way they could do

1725
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:17,880
that I'm a scientist there's though you

1726
01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:21,780
know these guys are full of it and the

1727
01:30:29,419 --> 01:30:26,670
week after he started working there he

1728
01:30:31,459 --> 01:30:29,429
came at and he was sort of asked it's

1729
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:31,469
based and very apologetic that he said

1730
01:30:35,090 --> 01:30:32,010
you know

1731
01:30:37,670 --> 01:30:35,100
tsipras had these you guys are right he

1732
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:37,680
says worse than that don't even know the

1733
01:30:47,540 --> 01:30:44,280
story so so he sure did what he said he

1734
01:30:49,580 --> 01:30:47,550
did or has an exceedingly strong

1735
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:49,590
psychotropic drugs that he was totally

1736
01:30:58,990 --> 01:30:54,510
unaware of that were able to change his

1737
01:31:03,020 --> 01:30:59,000
entire aspect and it's lasted for almost

1738
01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:03,030
30 years so however you want to play

1739
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,060
that is okay with me I'm convinced that

1740
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:09,120
it was something he personally worked

1741
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:10,920
with and personally witnessed and it's

1742
01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:14,010
not the result of continuing 30-year

1743
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:17,240
long-lasting psychotropic drugs I don't

1744
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:20,010
you know it's just the the question is

1745
01:31:26,450 --> 01:31:23,330
you know the education and the fact that

1746
01:31:29,330 --> 01:31:26,460
he didn't know landmark right outside of

1747
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:29,340
MIT and you know there's just been when

1748
01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:32,820
when a story falls apart you look for

1749
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:36,030
all the loose ends and there was a lot

1750
01:31:44,630 --> 01:31:41,840
of loose ends when it comes to him I

1751
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:44,640
mean we'll see more bob lazar transcript

1752
01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:55,890
so we have brock obama's are very

1753
01:32:02,150 --> 01:31:58,770
difficult to and snippy very easy to

1754
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:02,160
determine how many classmates video

1755
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:05,970
what was it professor's name i believe

1756
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:07,770
the man when I heard him and I saw him

1757
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:10,710
with my own eyes I saw the way be a so

1758
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,280
it didn't yeah I didn't feel a need to

1759
01:32:20,210 --> 01:32:17,040
work one where others who were just to

1760
01:32:23,570 --> 01:32:20,220
what he was saying or not saying well

1761
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:23,580
you know I think I look at George Knapp

1762
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:26,010
now I have a lot a lot of respect for

1763
01:32:30,980 --> 01:32:27,530
George Knapp as a matter of fact I think

1764
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:30,990
he is probably one of the best people on

1765
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:34,730
the radio that dives into this topic and

1766
01:32:45,130 --> 01:32:40,650
he and a very honest and level-headed

1767
01:32:49,180 --> 01:32:45,140
person and he he basically stands behind

1768
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:49,190
bob lazar maybe there's two two things

1769
01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:52,880
that could be happening one is maybe Bob

1770
01:33:02,740 --> 01:32:56,060
Lazar can really sell himself to the

1771
01:33:06,340 --> 01:33:02,750
people and he and and he's not being

1772
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:06,350
straight with everyone or the fact that

1773
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:08,210
you know maybe there is something to

1774
01:33:14,169 --> 01:33:11,090
this I I'd like to be open-minded I just

1775
01:33:17,919 --> 01:33:14,179
I just have like I said I've been on the

1776
01:33:22,870 --> 01:33:17,929
fence about Bob because of all the

1777
01:33:25,630 --> 01:33:22,880
different things that has come for ya I

1778
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:25,640
could say I face it on my personal

1779
01:33:32,020 --> 01:33:27,890
knowledge of knowing and then everything

1780
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:32,030
else says yeah that's the only

1781
01:33:34,959 --> 01:33:33,530
comparison I could make us we've got a

1782
01:33:38,979 --> 01:33:34,969
president and we know less about that we

1783
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:38,989
knew bob lazar welcome right wrong or a

1784
01:33:51,340 --> 01:33:42,770
difference yes okay now funk-defied

1785
01:33:57,780 --> 01:33:51,350
house twice how many books you think

1786
01:34:01,439 --> 01:33:57,790
he's written about yeah no sorry zero

1787
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:01,449
party for this I would think if he was

1788
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,330
attempting to exploit it he would have

1789
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:08,000
at least attempted to get back a little

1790
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:12,770
bit yeah that's another two feet of

1791
01:34:16,689 --> 01:34:14,330
personal knowledge at the fact that he

1792
01:34:18,340 --> 01:34:16,699
hasn't tried to exploit our to strong

1793
01:34:21,570 --> 01:34:18,350
indicators that you tell the truth we

1794
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:21,580
just given up doesn't care anymore

1795
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:25,790
yeah yeah I was sodium I think was

1796
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:29,840
the Alejandro's conference during no

1797
01:34:36,250 --> 01:34:34,400
Scott field yeah I was out there but I

1798
01:34:38,110 --> 01:34:36,260
unfortunately that year I had to leave

1799
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:38,120
early so I miss that that whole thing

1800
01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:42,370
and I I was hoping that there would be a

1801
01:34:48,370 --> 01:34:45,679
questions after and I wanted to see that

1802
01:34:52,330 --> 01:34:48,380
tape but I guess he was scooted off for

1803
01:34:54,220 --> 01:34:52,340
it after that but let's get back to you

1804
01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:54,230
have a question that came up on the

1805
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:58,340
message board and our guest meaning you

1806
01:35:00,939 --> 01:34:58,880
you talk

1807
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:00,949
from the iranian UFO at the beginning of

1808
01:35:08,379 --> 01:35:03,290
the show can you elaborate on these

1809
01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:08,389
specifics like for instance what we knew

1810
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:12,310
why it didn't get shared with everyone

1811
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:16,000
is it because again the classified

1812
01:35:23,020 --> 01:35:19,010
implications of the government it was

1813
01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:23,030
classified by the Defense Intelligence

1814
01:35:31,390 --> 01:35:29,030
Agency what I got was we call it itty

1815
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:31,400
bitty and individual target events

1816
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:36,370
database which showed all of the events

1817
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:43,730
of the 30 days I think anyway a certain

1818
01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:46,400
period of time in the midst of that

1819
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:50,750
report was the exact precise take time

1820
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:52,850
latitude and longitude of the Iranian

1821
01:36:04,479 --> 01:35:58,810
UFO and the cryptic comment was 76 tans

1822
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:04,489
possible eschar and as far as a

1823
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:06,020
classified term I can't tell you what it

1824
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:09,650
means that that that was a unclassified

1825
01:36:18,010 --> 01:36:15,850
correlation of that event oh that's

1826
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:18,020
that's all I can tell you about it was

1827
01:36:22,959 --> 01:36:20,000
that was what led me to it I talked to

1828
01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:22,969
several people but we I ate classified

1829
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:29,870
it I presented at the I forget which

1830
01:36:37,390 --> 01:36:33,440
MUFON symposium I won the award for the

1831
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:37,400
best case analysis of the year and that

1832
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:40,639
was the report on the Iranian UFO Wow

1833
01:36:46,899 --> 01:36:44,330
so I that should be available of video

1834
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:46,909
available from move on I haven't ever

1835
01:36:53,860 --> 01:36:52,010
seen it cook I was there well so I'm

1836
01:36:55,660 --> 01:36:53,870
sure you could get it there's a

1837
01:36:58,360 --> 01:36:55,670
presidental a lot more information about

1838
01:37:00,580 --> 01:36:58,370
it for that case for that case I'm sure

1839
01:37:02,590 --> 01:37:00,590
most of the listeners are aware of that

1840
01:37:07,899 --> 01:37:02,600
case but for the the one that isn't that

1841
01:37:09,310 --> 01:37:07,909
happened in 1976 and they were there

1842
01:37:12,369 --> 01:37:09,320
were jets that were scrambled the

1843
01:37:14,919 --> 01:37:12,379
military was scrambled and there was a

1844
01:37:18,899 --> 01:37:14,929
you know the details I think some

1845
01:37:22,599 --> 01:37:18,909
equipment failed or something when they

1846
01:37:24,759 --> 01:37:22,609
was first scrambled an Iranian Imperial

1847
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:24,769
Air Force f4 which is a first light

1848
01:37:31,509 --> 01:37:28,089
fighter then we were on good terms with

1849
01:37:33,549 --> 01:37:31,519
the Shah of Iran's provided it with her

1850
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:33,559
frontline weapon systems the f4 phantom

1851
01:37:42,729 --> 01:37:36,639
jet was one of those frontline fighters

1852
01:37:45,819 --> 01:37:42,739
and as f4 turned and the Chiefs radar

1853
01:37:48,309 --> 01:37:45,829
lock their lock on with radars to get

1854
01:37:50,889 --> 01:37:48,319
their missiles to hit the target and as

1855
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:50,899
soon as that you as soon as they got the

1856
01:37:54,909 --> 01:37:53,030
target and we're holding it with radar

1857
01:37:57,429 --> 01:37:54,919
that's called radar lock and this is a

1858
01:38:00,179 --> 01:37:57,439
achieve radar lock every bit of

1859
01:38:04,839 --> 01:38:00,189
electronics equipment in the f4 failed

1860
01:38:07,599 --> 01:38:04,849
instantly and simultaneously as soon as

1861
01:38:09,599 --> 01:38:07,609
the f4 no longer posed to threat other

1862
01:38:13,569 --> 01:38:09,609
words it started falling out of the sky

1863
01:38:15,250 --> 01:38:13,579
the electronic came back off so they

1864
01:38:18,969 --> 01:38:15,260
thought they had a faulty aircraft they

1865
01:38:21,459 --> 01:38:18,979
launched a second f4 and that F core

1866
01:38:25,029 --> 01:38:21,469
went up and encountered the a UFO same

1867
01:38:27,639 --> 01:38:25,039
problems not just once the four times

1868
01:38:30,789 --> 01:38:27,649
with each aircraft does lock onto this

1869
01:38:34,689 --> 01:38:30,799
right target and the target split into

1870
01:38:35,619 --> 01:38:34,699
several one now this is not an isolated

1871
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:35,629
event

1872
01:38:39,809 --> 01:38:37,489
three o'clock my this was about ten

1873
01:38:43,449 --> 01:38:39,819
o'clock at night the Jets were flying

1874
01:38:45,879 --> 01:38:43,459
SuperSonics in a city of several million

1875
01:38:47,889 --> 01:38:45,889
people sonic booms that are going all

1876
01:38:51,099 --> 01:38:47,899
over the town great with those before

1877
01:38:53,799 --> 01:38:51,109
maybe as many as two million people with

1878
01:38:59,679 --> 01:38:53,809
us this is it but thought something was

1879
01:39:02,049 --> 01:38:59,689
kept secret it was widely know the UFO

1880
01:39:05,549 --> 01:39:02,059
or white bright light that was causing

1881
01:39:08,770 --> 01:39:05,559
all this problem split into two and

1882
01:39:12,069 --> 01:39:08,780
disappeared over a ridge the next

1883
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:12,079
morning the Imperial Iranian Air Force

1884
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:14,510
sent a helicopter out and they could

1885
01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:17,030
find no evidence of it but they did get

1886
01:39:21,639 --> 01:39:19,369
reports from the people that yes

1887
01:39:23,949 --> 01:39:21,649
something could come in there and so

1888
01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:23,959
either landed or crash depending on the

1889
01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:25,480
witness of service

1890
01:39:34,590 --> 01:39:29,670
of the same time all this was happening

1891
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:34,600
an airline was approaching from Europe

1892
01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:38,320
flight to rob airline pilot was blinded

1893
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:42,760
by this light the amount of time white

1894
01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:49,210
blindness can persist his normally about

1895
01:39:57,170 --> 01:39:52,180
a minute max but he was not blinded for

1896
01:40:02,580 --> 01:39:57,180
over five minutes flying a faster craft

1897
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:02,590
fascinated the entire scenario this play

1898
01:40:09,110 --> 01:40:04,810
was all reported in Tehran it was the

1899
01:40:11,610 --> 01:40:09,120
this UFO was seen over Cairo Egypt

1900
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:11,620
there's not very many points in between

1901
01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:16,470
but for airliners spotted it it was a

1902
01:40:21,979 --> 01:40:18,360
big event

1903
01:40:25,290 --> 01:40:21,989
so it wasn't suppressed at all it got a

1904
01:40:26,729 --> 01:40:25,300
bob tracks who was then a reporter for

1905
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:26,739
the National Enquirer when the National

1906
01:40:33,229 --> 01:40:29,550
Enquirer had a great deal of credibility

1907
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:33,239
wrote a great deal about it

1908
01:40:44,729 --> 01:40:40,750
this is for sure to go in every state

1909
01:40:47,220 --> 01:40:44,739
and all of the sudden haste these papers

1910
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:47,230
that describe desert they're available

1911
01:40:54,150 --> 01:40:50,320
out there as archives and like I say you

1912
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:54,160
just quite sure but the MUFON symposium

1913
01:41:00,720 --> 01:40:57,520
and I think there Bob Pratt's papers had

1914
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:00,730
Bruce Maccabees analysis are also

1915
01:41:04,590 --> 01:41:03,130
available walk MUFON website so I just

1916
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:04,600
why it's interested in this case could

1917
01:41:11,580 --> 01:41:07,780
get a lot of data from just on website

1918
01:41:16,350 --> 01:41:11,590
almost right yeah I I'm trying to

1919
01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:16,360
remember the military personnel that the

1920
01:41:24,210 --> 01:41:19,390
gentleman that was involved in spoke on

1921
01:41:26,130 --> 01:41:24,220
that do you know who he they had I do he

1922
01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:26,140
was a captain I've spoken to him I

1923
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:27,790
talked to him and shook hands with him

1924
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:29,980
had a picture taken with him and I'm not

1925
01:41:36,270 --> 01:41:32,290
remembering his name either but he was

1926
01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:36,280
on our show briefly and I met him the

1927
01:41:41,250 --> 01:41:38,830
head of the Imperial Iranian Air Force

1928
01:41:43,650 --> 01:41:41,260
like our Secretary of the Air Force was

1929
01:41:48,650 --> 01:41:43,660
there watching the whole thing I mean

1930
01:41:52,170 --> 01:41:48,660
that really yeah this is a big deal I

1931
01:41:54,180 --> 01:41:52,180
had a game one presentation on it and I

1932
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:54,190
had a gentleman the audiences lived in

1933
01:41:59,670 --> 01:41:57,040
Tehran at the time and he said there

1934
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,680
were where he was standing he lived on a

1935
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:02,080
hill slightly above Tehran too hilly

1936
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:04,650
town that he lived off of a higher Hill

1937
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:07,810
and he says you could see hundreds of

1938
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:09,730
people with flashlights everything else

1939
01:42:14,970 --> 01:42:13,540
out there looking at this thing maybe

1940
01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:14,980
maybe a million

1941
01:42:21,620 --> 01:42:17,400
too many people heard it that saw it was

1942
01:42:25,470 --> 01:42:21,630
unhurt Oh shopper

1943
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:25,480
very few people here knew about it right

1944
01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:30,090
it's a it really is it's one of those

1945
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:32,950
amazing cases and what in your

1946
01:42:39,690 --> 01:42:35,290
experience with your background what

1947
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:39,700
would make equipment fail would it be

1948
01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:42,280
electric mech electromagnetics or

1949
01:42:57,420 --> 01:42:48,640
something electric pulse but we can't

1950
01:42:59,490 --> 01:42:57,430
turn him back off I don't know what the

1951
01:43:01,770 --> 01:42:59,500
modalities was to turn it back on I know

1952
01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:01,780
that like I say we can turn them off and

1953
01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:04,600
that's one of the real threats we as a

1954
01:43:08,460 --> 01:43:06,580
nation face that's because all the power

1955
01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:08,470
lines and all the railroad tracks all

1956
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,780
become great big conductors that could

1957
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:13,840
take an EMP falls out and destroy things

1958
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:17,770
so yeah you know there are a lot of

1959
01:43:23,460 --> 01:43:20,260
cases where electronics fail and then

1960
01:43:25,770 --> 01:43:23,470
start again you know I mean I I actually

1961
01:43:29,490 --> 01:43:25,780
heard an account directly from someone

1962
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:29,500
that experienced the he not even into

1963
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:32,590
UFOs but totally told a story and I've

1964
01:43:36,270 --> 01:43:34,300
said this story before in the show but

1965
01:43:37,550 --> 01:43:36,280
there we have a lot of new listeners so

1966
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:37,560
I'll say it quickly

1967
01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:42,010
he was in a pass a mountain pass and all

1968
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:44,950
of a sudden his car stopped just died

1969
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:47,110
and so did everyone else's car and

1970
01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:49,210
people were out there lifting the hood

1971
01:43:51,770 --> 01:43:50,680
everyone was pulled

1972
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:51,780
you know rolled over to

1973
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:53,940
side as far as it could and everyone was

1974
01:43:56,299 --> 01:43:55,409
out lifting their hood trying to check

1975
01:44:00,100 --> 01:43:56,309
what's going on

1976
01:44:02,839 --> 01:44:00,110
no sudden this big cigar shaped craft

1977
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:02,849
floated without a sound right through

1978
01:44:08,060 --> 01:44:05,520
the mountain pass right over their head

1979
01:44:14,060 --> 01:44:08,070
it had portholes which i think is

1980
01:44:15,589 --> 01:44:14,070
another added amazing thing and it

1981
01:44:18,169 --> 01:44:15,599
passed through they're all looking at it

1982
01:44:20,029 --> 01:44:18,179
and everyone's you know going oh you

1983
01:44:23,839 --> 01:44:20,039
know making noises and all that it goes

1984
01:44:25,339 --> 01:44:23,849
through then a guy gets in his car tries

1985
01:44:27,169 --> 01:44:25,349
the key again the thing starts right up

1986
01:44:32,529 --> 01:44:27,179
everyone's car started right up again

1987
01:44:35,890 --> 01:44:32,539
what can do that and why did it happen

1988
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:35,900
unless developed in the past few years

1989
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:40,650
right and I doubt it because in the past

1990
01:44:45,649 --> 01:44:42,510
every time we've had a weapon system

1991
01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:45,659
we've used it every time we've had the

1992
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:48,289
best technology we used it more and I

1993
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:50,820
don't think we have that cause we

1994
01:44:58,490 --> 01:44:55,920
haven't used so well you just I mean you

1995
01:45:01,220 --> 01:44:58,500
just touched on something that is of

1996
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:01,230
great interest to me even though I've

1997
01:45:08,109 --> 01:45:04,920
talked about it fairly recently with I

1998
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:08,119
had Christopher Mellon who was

1999
01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:10,409
interviewed by The Huffington Post

2000
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:12,840
Leslie Kane a while back he was on the

2001
01:45:19,939 --> 01:45:18,090
show a while a few weeks ago and so if

2002
01:45:22,819 --> 01:45:19,949
there is technology out there you just

2003
01:45:24,290 --> 01:45:22,829
said we'd be using it and that does make

2004
01:45:26,959 --> 01:45:24,300
sense and a lot of people are saying

2005
01:45:31,279 --> 01:45:26,969
these triangle craft that are you know

2006
01:45:33,020 --> 01:45:31,289
floating at 40 knots overhead no sound a

2007
01:45:36,529 --> 01:45:33,030
lot of people saying it's some type of

2008
01:45:38,299 --> 01:45:36,539
experimental military but it goes back

2009
01:45:41,180 --> 01:45:38,309
for many years that people are seeing

2010
01:45:44,180 --> 01:45:41,190
these type of things what do you say to

2011
01:45:48,890 --> 01:45:44,190
the person that is saying it has to be

2012
01:45:50,419 --> 01:45:48,900
military zombies some evidence yeah same

2013
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:50,429
as that doing everything else show me

2014
01:45:54,279 --> 01:45:51,690
the evidence I'm not saying your honor

2015
01:45:57,589 --> 01:45:54,289
are you saying until we have evidence

2016
01:46:00,649 --> 01:45:57,599
your speculation and my speculation are

2017
01:46:02,569 --> 01:46:00,659
equally valid we doubted it

2018
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:02,579
I can't say you're wrong I can't say

2019
01:46:08,089 --> 01:46:05,760
you're right it's interesting

2020
01:46:09,740 --> 01:46:08,099
so I think Stanton Friedman calls it his

2021
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:09,750
great basket that gold in the great

2022
01:46:17,930 --> 01:46:15,679
bastard yeah until we have evidence

2023
01:46:21,169 --> 01:46:17,940
those are nice there's lots of nice

2024
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:21,179
stories come just the one you just told

2025
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:23,730
that's a nice story and goes in the gray

2026
01:46:29,060 --> 01:46:26,610
packet as soon as we have something to

2027
01:46:32,270 --> 01:46:29,070
that we can use as evidence for that

2028
01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:32,280
part I won't the testimony is a type of

2029
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:37,380
error in grant that every day two

2030
01:46:42,410 --> 01:46:40,199
eyewitnesses that's better three

2031
01:46:44,660 --> 01:46:42,420
eyewitnesses that's better chef and then

2032
01:46:46,279 --> 01:46:44,670
we start talking about how long was it

2033
01:46:48,799 --> 01:46:46,289
out what kind of car did you have

2034
01:46:50,109 --> 01:46:48,809
thought there was an allotted car where

2035
01:46:53,660 --> 01:46:50,119
everything is computer-controlled

2036
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:53,670
anybody have a diesel truck doesn't have

2037
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:55,650
an electronic ignition systems that shut

2038
01:47:00,529 --> 01:46:57,570
down why would that shut down yeah

2039
01:47:02,779 --> 01:47:00,539
there's there's a lot of things we could

2040
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:02,789
we could add a lot of questions we can

2041
01:47:07,399 --> 01:47:05,760
ask the determine what was going on

2042
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:07,409
together it's more evidence and that's

2043
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:09,449
that's what we need to do before we

2044
01:47:17,209 --> 01:47:13,550
could quantitatively state was a UFO and

2045
01:47:19,459 --> 01:47:17,219
it could have been some kind of mass

2046
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:19,469
hysteria or something hysteria that

2047
01:47:23,419 --> 01:47:21,119
that's creating people running around

2048
01:47:26,509 --> 01:47:23,429
shouting and waving their arms so I

2049
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:26,519
don't know it's a my gray basket wrangle

2050
01:47:33,529 --> 01:47:30,210
yeah sure doc will give an answer what

2051
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:33,539
do you think you know just I'd like to

2052
01:47:38,500 --> 01:47:35,130
hear different people's opinion on this

2053
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:38,510
but what do you think we would need for

2054
01:47:46,759 --> 01:47:43,170
enough evidence that to show or to get

2055
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:46,769
science interested in the fact of

2056
01:47:53,629 --> 01:47:51,510
exploring the possibility that we are

2057
01:47:55,970 --> 01:47:53,639
being visited from let's say

2058
01:47:59,359 --> 01:47:55,980
extraterrestrials up I'll go out and say

2059
01:48:00,979 --> 01:47:59,369
say that I'm not saying I always uh I

2060
01:48:03,169 --> 01:48:00,989
always get a lot of email if I say

2061
01:48:07,339 --> 01:48:03,179
something like that

2062
01:48:11,229 --> 01:48:07,349
so but I'm just saying what would it

2063
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:11,239
take for evidence to make science

2064
01:48:23,190 --> 01:48:20,250
I don't know if you want to call me a

2065
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:23,200
scientist or not but I'm interested they

2066
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:25,510
have and I don't mean that as a flip

2067
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:29,920
response I think you mean essentially

2068
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:32,290
and I apologize for putting words in

2069
01:48:38,940 --> 01:48:35,440
your mouth mainstream science studies it

2070
01:48:42,110 --> 01:48:38,950
has the same way they do archaeology

2071
01:48:46,380 --> 01:48:42,120
anthropology carpentry

2072
01:48:49,740 --> 01:48:46,390
building bridges there's a certain place

2073
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:49,750
for scientists exception a juice' Center

2074
01:48:54,180 --> 01:48:52,690
goes on with them I call that mainstream

2075
01:48:57,180 --> 01:48:54,190
science good then interested

2076
01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:57,190
you have to have some the first thing

2077
01:49:00,590 --> 01:48:58,510
that you get the crazies out of the

2078
01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:00,600
business

2079
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:03,400
hundreds of take UFOs and rank will

2080
01:49:09,540 --> 01:49:07,510
scream efis that it detracts from it it

2081
01:49:12,810 --> 01:49:09,550
does it's it's not going to get any

2082
01:49:15,709 --> 01:49:12,820
better either with with drones so we had

2083
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:15,719
someone posting up on the message board

2084
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:18,010
earlier that you can buy you know

2085
01:49:25,650 --> 01:49:22,090
illuminated drones now for $15 or $20

2086
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:25,660
you know yeah it's not going to get any

2087
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:26,489
better

2088
01:49:31,770 --> 01:49:29,050
yeah and you can you can fly a a

2089
01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:31,780
nightstick in a plastic bag suspended

2090
01:49:38,610 --> 01:49:34,660
underneath your own yeah and do all

2091
01:49:41,130 --> 01:49:38,620
kinds of things and there's various

2092
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:41,140
people have various bonus for putting

2093
01:49:49,709 --> 01:49:46,900
hoaxes out since your people see things

2094
01:49:53,190 --> 01:49:49,719
that they can't explain and the labels

2095
01:49:59,970 --> 01:49:53,200
oh yeah I'm not just a budget this year

2096
01:50:02,010 --> 01:49:59,980
so it's like yeah we're not see so it's

2097
01:50:05,970 --> 01:50:02,020
difficult I think the first thing is we

2098
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:05,980
have to be we initially have to be a lot

2099
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:10,210
horse bridges and our procedures our

2100
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:13,570
methods our way of evaluating these

2101
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:16,960
things the way the way we investigative

2102
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:20,489
that's why support move on that's

2103
01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:23,110
they're trying to do a credible job and

2104
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:27,070
they still get enough jobs in there you

2105
01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:30,370
know yes yeah super into super

2106
01:50:40,780 --> 01:50:32,350
enthusiastic people who have

2107
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:40,790
lesser degree of judgment yes though we

2108
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:44,960
just had earlier in the Skype chat room

2109
01:50:52,150 --> 01:50:48,170
over at PSN radio someone wrote that

2110
01:50:53,290 --> 01:50:52,160
there a new MUFON investigator and we

2111
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:53,300
were going back and forth in a

2112
01:50:58,780 --> 01:50:55,970
conversation there one of the things

2113
01:51:02,380 --> 01:50:58,790
during the news we talked about a case

2114
01:51:04,810 --> 01:51:02,390
was being closed this person was talking

2115
01:51:09,550 --> 01:51:04,820
about that - how they seemed to close

2116
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:09,560
cases quickly and what are your what are

2117
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:11,330
your thoughts on that you know as

2118
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:12,890
unknown or whatever but this seems

2119
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:18,320
pretty quick yeah very seldom do we get

2120
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:22,550
much data now quite frequently the data

2121
01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:29,150
are sketchy I had a case where a college

2122
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:32,450
professor and a student were in their

2123
01:51:38,890 --> 01:51:36,650
houses they had they could hear

2124
01:51:42,580 --> 01:51:38,900
automatic weapons fire off the distance

2125
01:51:47,140 --> 01:51:42,590
this is a fine thing in their houses

2126
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:47,150
they had something right right right so

2127
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:52,730
what bright it was and noisy and just

2128
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:54,650
earth-shattering that they was shaking

2129
01:52:00,820 --> 01:51:56,690
they could speak thus filtering down and

2130
01:52:01,390 --> 01:52:00,830
light shining through tracks on this

2131
01:52:05,550 --> 01:52:01,400
oxygen

2132
01:52:09,550 --> 01:52:05,560
it was overhead and that object

2133
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:09,560
disappeared it went away and went

2134
01:52:18,430 --> 01:52:12,530
outside and one of the neighbors was

2135
01:52:20,380 --> 01:52:18,440
fighting with something and a small

2136
01:52:23,410 --> 01:52:20,390
something like three foot tall four foot

2137
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:23,420
tall style but there were no children in

2138
01:52:32,050 --> 01:52:28,130
the area and then the next day a black

2139
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:32,060
pea ever came up and went to the

2140
01:52:36,460 --> 01:52:34,400
backyard then brought out of I suggest

2141
01:52:39,850 --> 01:52:36,470
it was readily upheld this is your

2142
01:52:41,950 --> 01:52:39,860
four-foot tall child took it off and the

2143
01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:41,960
neighbor bought a do pickup truck and

2144
01:52:47,190 --> 01:52:43,820
had plenty of money and plenty of boobs

2145
01:52:55,860 --> 01:52:49,530
what was that all about

2146
01:53:02,170 --> 01:52:59,830
reports other than not to people of

2147
01:53:05,590 --> 01:53:02,180
anything happening couldn't find any

2148
01:53:07,860 --> 01:53:05,600
spent cartridges and when aircraft with

2149
01:53:11,290 --> 01:53:07,870
guns which are very show up anymore

2150
01:53:12,700 --> 01:53:11,300
engaged they eject the cartridges into

2151
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:12,710
the air they fall to the ground so

2152
01:53:16,450 --> 01:53:14,450
there's a lot of automatic weapons fire

2153
01:53:18,700 --> 01:53:16,460
you're gonna find fake hearts we didn't

2154
01:53:24,930 --> 01:53:18,710
find it that doesn't mean they aren't

2155
01:53:27,820 --> 01:53:24,940
there - we did find footprints that

2156
01:53:32,380 --> 01:53:27,830
requiring jars explicitly maybe there

2157
01:53:35,890 --> 01:53:32,390
was a Bigfoot out there but that to any

2158
01:53:39,970 --> 01:53:35,900
other witness accounts and the neighbor

2159
01:53:47,620 --> 01:53:39,980
did have a brand-new pickup truck and he

2160
01:53:51,970 --> 01:53:47,630
was drunker than a skunk for energy so

2161
01:53:54,370 --> 01:53:51,980
where did you go after that what would

2162
01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:54,380
you do were you there are no more

2163
01:53:58,750 --> 01:53:55,730
witnesses there's nobody around to

2164
01:54:01,650 --> 01:53:58,760
cancel with it there was no police

2165
01:54:06,010 --> 01:54:01,660
activity no police forces on the country

2166
01:54:08,500 --> 01:54:06,020
very very remote area where do you know

2167
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:08,510
what to do with it right what would you

2168
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:16,010
write up the facts we only have about

2169
01:54:22,090 --> 01:54:19,370
ever we only have about three minutes

2170
01:54:24,220 --> 01:54:22,100
left and I had a couple of questions I'm

2171
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:24,230
gonna try to being just give a real

2172
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:25,970
quick short answer

2173
01:54:34,420 --> 01:54:30,170
let's see Bobby wanted to know did you

2174
01:54:36,820 --> 01:54:34,430
ever work on Vela satellites V ela how

2175
01:54:40,810 --> 01:54:36,830
every play listen no that's that was a

2176
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:40,820
predecessor to DSP that was old no that

2177
01:54:47,260 --> 01:54:43,280
was a quick one all right and another

2178
01:54:51,210 --> 01:54:47,270
one is totally unrelated but Shane wants

2179
01:54:54,340 --> 01:54:51,220
to know what's your thoughts of the f-35

2180
01:54:55,930 --> 01:54:54,350
were and he just said that he doesn't

2181
01:54:59,320 --> 01:54:55,940
often get a chance to talk to an

2182
01:55:04,150 --> 01:55:01,840
you talk about the news strike

2183
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:04,160
reconnaissance spider it's a piece of

2184
01:55:08,140 --> 01:55:04,850
junk

2185
01:55:11,950 --> 01:55:08,150
oh that's a good answer

2186
01:55:13,180 --> 01:55:11,960
okay yeah it's overpriced underperforms

2187
01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:13,190
Wow

2188
01:55:19,420 --> 01:55:16,060
yeah someone's probably making a little

2189
01:55:23,140 --> 01:55:19,430
trunk money on that one as they say in

2190
01:55:26,530 --> 01:55:23,150
the car business all right well can you

2191
01:55:28,420 --> 01:55:26,540
tell the listener if they're interested

2192
01:55:31,420 --> 01:55:28,430
in contacting you how they you don't

2193
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:31,430
have a website right I do not have a

2194
01:55:47,500 --> 01:55:34,850
website I do not have a book for sale

2195
01:55:50,350 --> 01:55:47,510
yet I do have you know I I said we could

2196
01:55:52,300 --> 01:55:50,360
talk about that and you know I apologize

2197
01:55:55,090 --> 01:55:52,310
we ran on it we ran out of time so

2198
01:55:57,420 --> 01:55:55,100
that's your fascination right now is the

2199
01:56:01,120 --> 01:55:57,430
petroglyphs of that have a lot of

2200
01:56:04,210 --> 01:56:01,130
interesting beings and also orbs and

2201
01:56:05,770 --> 01:56:04,220
saucer like things just real quickly

2202
01:56:09,790 --> 01:56:05,780
because we only have 2 minutes or less

2203
01:56:12,460 --> 01:56:09,800
are you going to continue along that

2204
01:56:17,070 --> 01:56:12,470
path and try to discover more of these

2205
01:56:22,540 --> 01:56:17,080
in your new territory out there yes I am

2206
01:56:34,290 --> 01:56:22,550
and right now we're looking at my wife

2207
01:56:40,420 --> 01:56:37,990
three three petroglyphs and one

2208
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:40,430
pictographs so far that accurately

2209
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:46,580
depict ancient legends and just a nice

2210
01:57:05,490 --> 01:56:48,800
option and I have a very good friend who

2211
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:05,500
I'm sure most audiences hope so we

2212
01:57:11,170 --> 01:57:08,210
correlate and find out what's going on

2213
01:57:12,670 --> 01:57:11,180
are you planning to but are you planning

2214
01:57:13,060 --> 01:57:12,680
to write a book about this or is this

2215
01:57:22,689 --> 01:57:13,070
just

2216
01:57:25,060 --> 01:57:22,699
talking minute I've got it's a hobby but

2217
01:57:30,609 --> 01:57:25,070
it's I don't plan on making I'd like to

2218
01:57:32,830 --> 01:57:30,619
make a lot of money all right well hey

2219
01:57:36,089 --> 01:57:32,840
thanks so much and listeners out there

2220
01:57:39,580 --> 01:57:36,099
you can if you go to the show notes on

2221
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:39,590
podcast UFO you will see how to get a

2222
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:42,290
hold of our great guest this evening run

2223
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:46,400
Righi R thanks so much run anytime all

2224
01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:48,560
right yeah may want to have you back on

2225
01:57:53,379 --> 01:57:50,110
again we'll talk about that later

2226
01:57:55,149 --> 01:57:53,389
alright everyone so that's it for our

2227
01:57:56,830 --> 01:57:55,159
show this evening thanks so much for

2228
01:57:58,689 --> 01:57:56,840
listening we'll be back next week and

2229
01:58:01,450 --> 01:57:58,699
Alejandro Rojas and I'll be doing the

2230
01:58:03,399 --> 01:58:01,460
entire show together for those of you

2231
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:03,409
that like to hear us do the news every

2232
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:05,570
week you might enjoy it some people may

2233
01:58:08,500 --> 01:58:06,560
not like it at all

2234
01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:08,510
you can skip a week if you have to but

2235
01:58:13,899 --> 01:58:10,300
anyway we'll be back and thanks so much

2236
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:13,909
a couple of thanks out there - Carrie

2237
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:16,010
Lloyd Whitehouse and Bruce Renier for

2238
01:58:21,339 --> 01:58:19,730
our music and Keith Rowland for putting

2239
01:58:23,589 --> 01:58:21,349
us on the Dark Matter digital network

2240
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,599
and also angel for over at PSN radio